Designer Marc Jacobs is a recent convert to the joys of skirt wearing. Can other men be far behind?
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If the garment in question is a men’s KILT, then that’s cool in my book…but if it’s an actual SKIRT…not so much.
Men should be allowed to wear skirts or what ever. As womend seem to get away with it all lastest fashion look for women is wearing mens attire. So why the one rule for them and not the other equal rights I say.
Most women are crossdressers any way.
Men should go for it, the girls get all the pretty clothes to wear, so the guys should wear the pretty clothes also.
Dont know about the legs coming out from the skirts, though, maybe wearing tights, with a skirt on top, might be much more attractive.
An in favour Male.
What next women wearing pants.
In the late 1800’s there were ladies thrown in jail for wearing them.
There was a time that the only men wearing pants were land pirates who rode horses.
Pants on men only became popular when men started riding on horses and not behind them!
Don’t give me that Duet. verse for it also says “You shall not wear cloth of mixed fiber”
Cotton and Nylon, and were can you find a 100% linen or silk outfit.
It is great to see a guy wearing a skirt. It gives us a new look and unique feeling. Keep Tradition is great, but the new way fashion will lead us to have a great variety, this is what new century life is about. If women can wear pants, why men can not wear skirts. After all, we all want to look great, fresh and fabulous. The Scottish men have already worn them century after century.
something that people would actually like, buy, and enjoy.
Men should wear tights, skirts or dress even mini skirt as it just normal clothes also it help with health reason as well – wear same trousers still so boring and need to change to make nice fashion – Im straight mail and wearing tights, mini skirt and suede calf boots that look very nice and cool
Hello,
I’m a man who wears skirts and you can visit my informations website about skirts for men and men wearing skirts : men.jupe-skirt.info
See you soon.
Jérôme
Men should be allowed to wear anything they want so long as it is within the law. The whole idea that men
have to wear trousers is only being propagated mostly
by men who are either insecure in their identity,
homophobic, or intolerant of other people freely
expressing themselves. All of our ancestors wore
skirts 200 and 300 years ago. What is every one
afraid of, now? What harm is being done by a man
wearing a skirt, or even a dress, for that matter?
“It’ll scare the children.” ?? Well, yes, but only
because certain individuals have been teaching their
children a twisted set of morals and have forgotten
history. Polynesian children aren’t scared when
they see a man wearing a sarong. African children
aren’t scared when they see a man wearing a dashiki.
Indian children aren’t scared when they see a man
wearing a lungi. Why is this so? Because their
culture accepts these things and our culture could
too, if people would lighten up and stop being so
judgemental of every little thing they don’t like.
Wake up, people. There are 6.7 billion of us on
this planet. We are either going to figure out how
to get along, or we’re going to destroy ourselves.
It is not a question about weird or wonderful, it is a question about men would like to wear or not. Most men do not! Maybe they are not encouraged enough or just simply cowards – for sure it is one of the best clothing which fits perfectly to a man.
I read and heard so many comments and talking. That is the problem: To make a problem where no problem is! If men likes to wear it, just do it, if not, don’t do it.
There is no rule or law what people have to wear, we are doing that in our imagination.
And I think we women should not judge it, just support what men like to do in the same way we are be treated with ways of dressing. Do men ask if some would be weird or wonderful?
http://www.letchworthgc.com/placestovisit/history/ww2_homefront.htm is a British site where a quotation from World War II appears—
“IT SEEMS STRANGE THAT TROUSERED WOMEN CAN RUN AMOK AT WILL, FOR FRANKLY THE SIGHT IS CRIMINAL AND AN AFFRONT TO THE SENSES.” Women in pants was an “attempt to merge the tewo sexes into one person;” they were afflicted with “permanent mental hallucination;” they were arrested by policemen because the cops were offended by pants on women; they needed “treatment” in “the best conducted hospitals for the insane”—NY Times, May 27, 1876, page 6. Then there are the Greek men today on You Tube twirling in petticoats, tutus or pleated skirts (”Tsamikos”). Skirts and pants are not sex differences because they are not anatomical differences, but only varying methods of clothing the legs. What, are women hermaphrodites today that they cannot be cross dressers? No, only men are slandered by psychiatric terminology—because men alone are targeted with restrictions as to what they may wear. It was factory work in two World Wars—and that alone—that freed women to wear pants. Men got into pants—the horseback riding garment—because horses were for long centuries the best transportation, and armies could not compete without them. But skirts and trousers as “sex differences” they are as sex neutral as H2O.
Well, I love the idea of men wearing skirts! For one I am a man and I wear a skirt almost all of the time, except for winter months! I think it will take someone like this guy and a few other celeb’s of the male nature and high profile to push skirt’s main stream for men. What we really need is a company to actually make skirts for men that they would by. If that happen’s I can see a lot of younger men trying it out!
I don not feel guilty when I am saying men should wear skirts because skirts are originally a male garment anyway.
I would feel guilty when I vote for one of the options because the options are not true and do not show the difficulty.
With this voting we would judge about a piece of clothes which we don’t know how it looks on men because our own imagination only reaches the point of our experience. To start at this pointwe would absolutely wrong, because we are showing up with our knowledge (which could be very little), our imagination (which is only related to our minimal experiences) and our own taste, which is very individual. Result: We cannot answer or vote on this options.
What we should do is just one thing: Encourgage and support all men to wear also a skirt as extented wardrobe. Nothing is easier than that, and more effective.
I see that almost all of our clothes are already sex-polarized, and we must stop that if we are really living the emanicpation and not the polarization. We want to go away from it since 1837!!
In summary: I want to encourgage all men to try a skirt, it would be the optimal wardrobe for his body shape and his health. So, please men who are reading here, just try it, you’ll never will forget the feeling of freedom like on a motorcycle.
None of the voting options will represent my view on the subject. Neither weird nor wonderful , it should be quite normal than men can wear skirts , if they want to.
I am a man and often I do wear skirts and feel quite confortable with my wearing , though I will probably wear even more , if ….
Philippe, exactly right. Why you guys asking what to wear? Why is it in “trend” to wear skirt? I guess – it is about men which do not wear skirt because they afraid to give up their maleness when wearing a skirt. It is opposite. When men wearing skirts they are real men and manly.
What kind of question is that? Weird or wonderful? No space what it is in reality.
A skirt on a man is a garment. If you already got stuck in your old fashion imagination it is weird because you think so. It reflects your imagination, not your opinion because for a long time a skirt was an garment for females. The truth is that a skirt is originally a men’s garment because women supposed to be wear long dresses. Would you continue in this direction you would find, that the trend of pants is going back to that it was: A garment -mostly under long dresses- for women.
I know, a change is hard to understand, especially with the background information that a skirt is optimal for men’s lower body.
If you are a creative and innovative human being it will be exactly you expected, so it will be wonderful.
I can’t go with either. I would say it is wonderful that men finally have more choices in kind of dressing, and it is weird that men [or women] asking for public opinion.
The result will be a lie anyway, because the skirt is just targeted to some few men, but everybody is different and it looks different on men.
I recommend just go over the word skirt and show men’s fashion how it is at this time and with the new skirted application. Don’t write any pre-comments as a question, then answers will slightly more honest.
Get over it world. It’s coming. Once the world opens it’s mind to change for the better. IE: America having a black President. Mixed race marriges and Ladies wearing trousers. They’re comfortable, sexy and give your ball room to breathe. Der! It’s not rocket science. Stay away from mini’s, floral desighns and anything that will make you look stupid, but very brave.
It’s time men take back the skirt. If you go back in history and study what men wore, it was a skirt or tights, or a combination of the two. Moving forward, mens trousers had no back pockets, a fashion which is now women’s. Today, women’s underwear is the same style that most men wear. So my point is, what difference does it make? If a guy wants to wear a skirt, go for it. Anatomically(?) a skirt is a lot better, and yes I do wear skirts (mainly minis)around the house. When out and about I wear jeans because you never know what might try to bite. (I live in the southwest). Men around the world wear some form of a skirt, whatever it be called. I say do it, you might like it.
Going back in past for future? Men wearing skirts. Great, what’s next? Women in pants? Cross-dressing? Not at all, because women supposed to be in pants with a dress over it in past and men in skirts. That kept the people healthy and these people were our ancenstors. They didn’t have to fight ith all this “modern” stuff we call diversity, gender-role, sex-equality and many more.
They did what people should do. Dressing they feel like, feeling comfortable, nice and of course women were beautiful not just through clothes. But I am missing real men, individuals and not uniformized in pants, simple INDIVIDUALS!
Yes, Robert and Lee, you are absolutely right,
it is time that men should come back be real men, and wear skirts if they want to. I think it is not the question about the length of a skirt, it is a question HOW you carry it – be straight and confident, then you’re right. The world is an open field, and if you want to b apart in the change, change, just do it. Only you can do it, women already went their way they want.
Yes, I want to add some to the last postted comment: The skirt and the dress was and is today still a sign of intellectual maturity, power, influence and strength, and that is the reason that today yet priest, lawyers and judge sress its gown.
Pants symbolize simple people or soldiers, and were carried by men and women. Women wore it invisible under long dresses, just men wore and wearing it without covering: A relic from the French Revolution.
Conclusion: A skirt is not just a garment of women nor does it symbolize a women, it is just worn more by women in western societies. That fact.
So what men should do is showing up with their strength, influence [if they want to] but never say anymore a skirt or dress might be a sign of weakness. Opposite ist correct!
See no reason skirts aren’t part of a norm for guys attire. I question why skirts haven’t entered the department store men’s department. The Bloomingdales, JCPennys, Bontons, Sears and Targets !
@Smith;
Answer: Just business. I found a website “Bloomingdale isn’t sold” the comment of manager why he didn’t set skirts in men’s department. Answer: It’s about business. High risk, and we have to sell what people on the street demanding.
Clearly, there are not enough men ‘on the street’ who want skirts.
Okay, where you want to start?
Yes, mara, it is about business. But never before men did do anything for their own. Just follow the line, but what line please?
Men do not receive compliments about pants, maybe, if they are lucky, get a “nice tie”.
But nothing about style, because there is no style, just pants.
Recently I have read an article about “feminization” of men’s clothes, and indeed, men can not wear anything what is just men’s stuff. We have to re-think and we have to admit that in reality is no border between women’s to men’s clothes, it is already adapted. But we are not cross-dresser because it is in fashion. If men doing the same, they are automatically cross-dresser, gay and/or transvestites. This comes from really narrow minded people which have no idea what they are talking about.
Back to the question: Weird or wonderful?
There cannot be a weird, people saying that should first think about one little question: What could be weird on a men in skirt. And then this people should look in a mirror and try to answer that question.
I am saying that men MUST wear skirts, because that will show the real, the manly men.
Yeah I have alwasy belived and felt that males should be allowed to dress as they would choose a lot of us males really do want this freedom just like females now today can wear pants jeans and et all mlae attire.
why is it that males are still not allowed to dress in what is still considered female clothing.
like you still have to become a crossdressere to do this and or tg which is quite an alright thing unto itself.
I am tg cd myself but would still just love to be able to dress in cute skrirts and dresses outside of being this way and that is not to mention the softness of what is female underclothing just as well lingerie for males as well also!
I am in with the wearing of skirts of al kinds for males and dresses just as well!
so what is still holding it alll back why can we not adopt this freedom to dress as we choose come on let us have the same total freedom women now so enjoy males unite under this and let us skirt the whole sissue right now today!
I see that some talking about “allowed to wear a skirt”. There is no law that somebody can break wearing a skirt. So what you need is nothing else than your courage and be confident to wear you want.
Women started the same way, and as everybody can see, they were successful.
Of course, there must be a lot of males to start with something new; but I doubt that males can be united in the same idea.
I learned that men are the problem to go with a new trend fashion, not women.
So, if somebody wants to wear a skirt or dress, just do it…… as a man, and start today!
I am a hetro cross-dresser in my early 30’s. I have been cross-dressing for years but still live in constant fear of being ‘found out’. Apart from 7 people who know, i would never dare to wear a skirt outdoors in front of anyone else because i would be ‘labeled’. (as alredy stated in this discussion) i would be gay or something along those lines, even by people who know me years!. I was lucky enough to have 2 understanding girlfriends, who embraced it, saying they had the best of both worlds because their boyfriend loved shopping as much as them. Recently i befriended a very caring lady, and not long ago, she invited me to stay. We went for walks in the garden, and it was wonderful to feel the wind against my nylon clad legs, and the liberating feel of wearing a skirt outdoors. Needless to say, there is more to this story, and its a memory i will never forget!.
If the only men wearing them looked like this one here- I’d say GO for it. But unfortunately they don’t!
Call a men’s skirt kilt, then you are right with it. No, it is not weird in general, but I think some men cannot wear a kilt (skirt) but most men are okay in it. For sure most men looking better than in pants.
I found this recently in another discussion:
Maybe people don’t want to read and know the truth, because men actually should wear skirts and dresses, thin and smooth underwear –or no underwear- for best results preventing testicle- and prostate cancer, keeping up with enough sperm, etc. “It is unclear why men’s health going under the way of dressing,…….. it’s a fault of our society. “Men have to wear skirts or dresses,…….. knee-length are fine, little shorter doesn’t ……….hurt anyway. Wearing socks or stockings……….. are okay, stockings usually worn by men with an old-style garter belt and shorter to mid tights. That prevents cancer, and also enhances male’s sexuality much more than additional products. On the other hand short skirts and dresses are unhealthy for women’s body, long skirts……… and pants are best because of keep warming the sexual organs which are located inside the body compare to men’s…..”. All this “stuff” like silky underwear, stockings, garter belt, etc. we brought to women’s wardrobe and men who would wear it, would called “gay” or transvestite; and endless stupidity. Fashion makes it possible.
Why so many questions about men’s skirts? Who want to jugde that? Nobody can’t and with your opinion you just give a statement about your taste, maybe your experience or education.
It is okay for men to wear a skirt which could be a kilt. Both words “Skirt” and “Kilt” are knwon since the fourteenth century and was only a male garment because women only wore long dresses. The kilt was a knee-length pleated skirt which were used by members of Scottish families and the Scottish Army.
There are no clear answers about the skirt, just that the skirt was used by men in different length, mostly knee-lenght or above (sometimes so short that women complained in public about it in the 17th century.
The skirt and the special skirt-style, the kilt, is a perfect garment for men’s body shape and I think it is time to extent men’s wardrobe with this kind of clothes.
Why the alternative pants? Can somebody explain why they want to choose pants for men, I mean really explain with reason, argument?
I don’t think so, so let men go in skirts!
Michelle Obama brought it to the point in an interview, “Find your space. Find your spot. Wear what you love. Choose the careers that may have meaning to you, because there’s always somebody who will say, “I wouldn’t have worn that color,” or “Why didn’t you work at that job?” But if you’re comfortable in the choice and it resonates with you, then all other stuff – it’s just conversation. People have the right to have conversations…..” Read full article in TIME magazine.
Even this says clear that everybody has his own space, but everybody must find it. And if men found their space with skirts, why not.
Wonderful!
First of all, men ARE allowed to wear skirts. Second, women in women’s pants aren’t crossdressing. Men in men’s skirts aren’t crossdressing (unless that is what they are trying to do). The stigma of what is or isn’t “allowed” and fear of what someone else thinks of our own attire is typically transferred from our own thoughts. Simply accept yourself for what you like, and be comfortable with that. When others look, remember that they will look regardless of what we wear. People want to see what is cool so that they can adopt the same ideas.
Please enjoy skirts, sarons, kilts, pantyhose, et cetera… for everyone that enjoys wearing them. It certainly isn’t a requirement for those that don’t choose to wear them.
tlc.
As a man who wears skirts, even other woman garments, at first my girlfriend thought I was gay even asked if I was, and I said no. Over time she loves looking for skirts and dresses for me even more than me. It benifits me and my girl even more than I can possibly dream, so guys who wear skirts let your partner know, and girls take full advantage of it.
I am getting sick about reading what women can do, and men complaining that they can’t.
Boys and Girls, Men and Women!!! There are no rules or laws saying men can wearing or can’t.
So, we (women) took over what we want to have in our wardrobe, men can do the same. But they must be willing to do so.
I know this question above is not correct because it doesn’t let any space for a opinion which is not related to already stereotyped answers. Get rid of this leading questions because it is simply not fair. Someone might question if men are fitting in skirts, and the answer will be always “YES”.
So, men if you like to wear skirts, kilts or dresses, just DO IT. Maybe you want to adopt
some more out of the “women’s clothing box”, do it but remember always the borderline between taste and drag. And what you want to wear under it, it is only your choice and has to be accepted by all – because it is YOU.
Be yourself, and do what you like to do, but don’t hurt other’s. If I don’t like something, I just do Not Look on – so I am not getting conflicted.
Unfortunately, the poll questions don’t match up with what I would choose, since I am male, and a year-round skirt/kilt wearer. In the cold months, I usually don a traditional wool kilt. Around mid-March, I begin throwing on the normal skirts. I don’t wear them in a crossdresser (or transvestite) fashion, but, as a guy. I tend to stay away from pantyhose and tights, don’t do the makeup thing, or false body parts. I do shave my legs, but that’s because I have some patchy growth otherwise. When I’m skirted, there’s not much different from when I’m kilted. Still wear my normal shoes and boots, my kneesocks (I admit, on hotter days, I will wear nylon knee highs, but I still try to kiltify the skirt I’m wearing), normal male t-shirts and jackets. That said, I don’t usually wear a sporran with a skirt. Just doesn’t look right to my eyes. I do have long hair, but, it’s usually worn in a normal ponytail or loose, but not in a bun or an updo, since that’s not my style.
I’ve learned a lot about what works and what doesn’t work on me, over the past 7 years. I’ve also gone from someone who usually wore Levi’s 550 jeans with t-shirts that may have holes in them and untucked, to someone who rarely wears jeans, sometimes wears shorts, if I’m doing dirty work, but, usually is in a kilt or some skirt with a shirt that doesn’t have holes and that is tucked in. In other words, you’re more likely to find me in a denim skirt than a pair of jeans or a pair of denim shorts. I also try to color coordinate my clothes, instead of throwing on whatever smells clean that I pick up off the bedroom floor.
The only negative thing to my wearing skirts and kilts is that my sock drawer went from one to three, and I have probably 30-40 pairs of kneesocks, ranging from solid color wool kilt hose, to wildly colored kneesocks that I wear with shorts or skirts, (and, in rare circumstances, with kilts), to sheer nylon knee-highs that are worn on those really hot days, or when I need a liner underneath another pair of socks. That’s not even mentioning the amount of cashflow that goes to the local kiltmakers for kilts and accessories. At least, with the skirts, I can buy them from thrift stores or off eBay and pay as little as $2.00, plus tax… Sometimes less.
when i was a little boy i dressed in my sisters clothes,mum had said if you aren’t in bed by the time i come up you’ll get a smack,
years later found it fun wearing sister’s skirts but this was sexual reasons, now i’m older and i still enjoy skirts/kilted skirts too (they are cheaper than men’s kilts,
this is because men,s fashion is crap, i have a wider choice of fashion, have fun, wear a skirt.
Why can’t we distinguish cross-dressing from mere garment selection choices? Oranges & apples. Cross-dressing is the act of attempting to pass as a person of the other gender whereas garment choice involves selecting a garment based upon your mood, the weather & your planned activities. As a man I have worn skirts & dresses almost exclusively for the past several years mainly due to their comfort factor. You know your measurements. Buy something that fits you correctly. I have NEVER been viewed as being feminine. A man choosing to wear a skirt is on the same side of the coin as a woman who choses to wear pants. No one would nail shingles on a roof while wearing a miniskirt; however, wearing a miniskirt on a hot summer afternoon’s walk in the park makes sense to me. Garment choice shouldn’t depend upon one’s gender as much as it should depend upon common sense. My 100% feminine wife hasn’t a single issue with that logic!
I don’t get the question: A skirt on men weird or wonderful? Do you want to know the public opinion? Who is giving you any signal what’s weird or wonderful? It seems to me a question created from “yellow press”. For far too long, while the world has shrunk, most of American people haven’t cared what’s new in the world and probably they don’t know that 60% of all men in the world wearing skirts as an every-day wardrobe. Why? Skirts are comfortable and easy to wear, especially for men. And exactly this round about 60% of men don not have problems with testicle- and prostate cancer. How come? Those which can’t believe that the world is changing American people must recognize their own part in the creation of modern day Americaan isolationism.
I am really sorry, but I can’t understand WHY you want to put in public hands to judge it? Do we have something else to do instead talking and writing what men should do leaving their boring ONE OPTION DRESS? Unbelievable for me that women would vote on such question because what men could do better than waering skirts? A sign that men and women totally equal – it would be the biggest step ever in case of emancipation and equality of sexees (don’t misunderstand it with ‘gender’[role] because they’ll never be equal).
I am a strong supporter for men’s skirts even I wasn’t very successful to bring it close to my husband. He is still in fear what other people might think when he’ll dressing differently. In other words he has a sense of cowarding, presenting his wonderful body in public. But I am working on that because I know best that he is a real men.
I agree with all men which want to dress in a skirt or dress or something else which might be used only by women in the past. If they are not just transvestite or crossdressers but serious skirt dressed men, because they are the real, some might call it ‘manly’ men. There is no doubt that a lot of men have to learn what is really good for their body, what feels good and what will make them handsome and unique.
elegant!!!
I take the last comment: Elegant!! Want to add that nothing is more comfortable for men than skirts, because we’re not talking about global warming, weather changing, comfort, health for men, didn’t we? For women we made it! Comfortable, colorful, nice, light-weight,
wonderful for feeling and seeing. And what did we do for men? Pitiful…. nothing. All what is really worse for them in kind of clothes we offered and…we did not stop that. “Fashion” made it possible. Now they have a chance But men should take care of their bodies, too. What they are missing is the courage to stand against silly expressions, comments when they dress differently. Men, come out of your hole, think about you and start a new dressing life!
It was websites similar to this one that gave me the idea to try skirts. I bought a mini skirt from a company that I found on the internet and wore it in public on a springlike day in February of 2008. I really enjoyed it, I did not know that clothes could be so comfortable and fun to wear. The mini skirt was much more comfortable than shorts. My first time out in a skirt got me to thinking, just because I’m a man why do I have to wear pants all the time? Why can’t I wear something that is comfortable and fun to wear? I decided to make skirts a part of my life. The next week I went to a women’s clothing store to look at some skirts. The lady that worked at the store was very helpful and suggested that I look at some women’s tops to go with the skirts. I bought several skirts and tops and started wearing them everywhere I went. I loved every minute of it. I got a lot of compliments from women. Later on I bought a dress and tried my luck at wearing it in public. That was a very wonderful experience, the dress was so comfortable and fun to wear. I fell in love with dresses. I bought several dresses and started wearing them regularly. As I have added more skirts, tops, and dresses to my collection, I have gave away a lot of my pants and male shirts. In addition to wearing skirts and dresses I also wear nail polish. I started wearing toenail polish a while before I first went out in a skirt, now I often paint my fingernails as well. It’s about doing something different and having some fun. Hot weather is here, when I’m not wearing a mini skirt I will be wearing a sun dress. I know a lot of people don’t approve of what I do, I get a lot of strange looke when I go out in public, but I don’t let that bother me. I have the attitude that if anybody don’t like how I look they can keep their eyes off of me. I encourage other men to give skirts and dresses a try, you will love them. Don’t waste one second of your time worrying about what other people will think, enjoy life and have some fun.
Bravo Terry; It is not just using some ’stuff’ which is used usually by women, it is your courage to go with it. I admire that.
All that you mentioned you use for yourself are not specified for women, it is used by women because they like it – make them feeling more nice, looking beautiful, and I do not see any reason why men should not look nice or even beautiful – some might call that also ‘handsome’.
It is only an very poor opinion that everthing what would a person lets beautiful appear are just for women. No, beautiful things also can make men more valuably.
I know in old times men were afraid to wear pink. Why? Pink is originally a men’s color? Skirts were originally men’s wardrobe. So what? Dresses were for both sexes!
We purposely sexualized our world and clothes – why?
What I can add to this comments: Men go and wear what you want, feeling comfortable and nice in it, but be a men and do it as women already did. It is the time now, don’t waist time to start with it.
Skirt and dresses for men, yes, of course. But red fingernails? I don’t know. I agree that men should take care of their finger/fingernails too, but decent colors. No red. I know that in some areas it was common, also in USA, that men used colors in face, eyes, hands and feet, but just went they went to war or a battle was coming up.
Red polish is mostly what I use on my nails.
I usually wear red polish on my nails.
I’m sorry about the 2 messages that are almost alike, number 45 and 46. After I typed message number 45 I had a problem with my internet and the message did not show up on this board. I typed another message almost like it. A few minutes later both messages showed up on here.
Okay, Terry that might be working on you. But I can’t imagine, and maybe that is the reason that some other people can’t go with men in skirts, too. I have to learn this too.
I am on the way to learn and adapt to the new MAN.
Well, I tried a skirt yesterday. It has been hot, and even wearing shorts is uncomfortable.
I was browsing in the Good Will store, and started looking at jeans skirts, and light weigh cotton skirts. I was afraid people were looking at me oddly, but no one paid any attention. So, I picked a couple and went to the dressing room to try them for fit. They fit, and they were awsome, I thought as I looked at myself in the mirror. Most of all, wearing one felt very cool, the air circulating freely all the way up my legs.
I quickly changed back to my shorts, picked my favorite (above the knee “jeans” style, off white), and quickly exited the dressing room. No one noticed.
After I had replaced the other one onto the rack, I quickly made my way to the check out, and paid for it. The young girl paid no attention to what I was purchasing.
When I got to where I was working (I’m self employed, and was working alone at a home), I slipped into the skirt, and took my shirt off (it was very hot). The skirt was wonderful. Just plain wonderful.
The only drawback I noticed was when stooping down, I had to do it with my knees closer together (more “like a girl”) because of the obvious restriction. But that was a minor thing in my opinion.
I think I’m hooked.
Congratulation! You got it. That is eactly what I mean, don’t talk about, just do it. You are on the right track.
Comment: Wonderful.
Welcome to the “Fourth New Deal Program” for men’s wardrobe.
Remember, FDR created a new America, and probably we are back on this track. I would love to see USA as a leader again (and not only in case of financial issues), in this case for men in skirts and dresses. That means actually back to the natural, ‘normal’ and healthiest kind [type] of dressing for men.
We changed in the 1920’s The traditional young boys color (pink) to a favorite girls [their traditional color was light blue= standing for heaven] color today, so we can change some other things, too.
Martin, you might be right. I doubt it a little bit because a lot of people have a pretty high fence around their point of view, sight and opinion, and you know the old saying: “The fence is only for those who can’t fly”.
It does not mean that it is impossible that we could something new or different, but it will be a hard way. Just manly men who are confident with skirts can break down some fences.
Thanks, Bess.
Terry mentioned wearing nail polish. I have been wearing clear polish (Sally Hansen’s Hard as Nails) for many years, because I play classical and flamenco guitar (just for fun). I had a comment from a lady one day in a fabric store when I went in to buy thread for my wife. She said my nails looked so nice, they looked better than hers!
I have also put some polish on my toenails, just for fun. However, I put some “wet look” color on them.
I love breaking out and doing what I’ve always fantasized about, and I’m glad to find that some women approve and think it’s just fine.
I’d like to try a dress too. Baby steps … baby steps. Not just yet, but maybe one day soon.
My wife lets me wear pantyhose and panties (she started it really, one day when all my undies were in the laundry). She thinks they “look cute” on me! Ha, ha.
Thanks Bill; It is always a question of a good taste what people wearing, but I don’t want to mix up taste and things like “men can or can’t do that”. I do not see restrictions for women, so I think that we have to work on that what men should do – torn down walls where no walls are, just in somebodies brains.
I encouraged you to go with that you like because I try to encourage everybody, it is one of the most important things we can do. Waiting and saying: Oh, no we did not do it in the last 100 years doesn’t count. If we want a change, we have to do it, nothing is popping up by itself.
What you wear with your skirts is only and alone your choice, even panties which are normally invisible.
Just go keep going on with your esprit.
@chuck – yes of course it will be a hard way to go, but I am waiting for men who are moving on, trying new things. Only to mention what could be done and that it would be a hard way, etc., doesn’t help, action must be going on. Just show up that you can do it.
Hey Bess: Thanks again for your comments. I love reading what women think about this topic, and there have been very few negatives.
As far as the choice of undies goes, I’m sure you have noticed as I have (and my wife has commented on this often) that much of womens underwear is styled to look like mens traditional “tighty whities”, even with fake “Y” front fly. I really think they look cute, but the point is this: If women can wear underwear styled to look like mens, why shouldn’t it work the other way around?
I know that there are mens “fancy” undies out there (you can find them on the Internet), but they are not easily found in department stores. I actually prefer panties, because I find them much more comfortable, if I find a style that is wide enought in the crotch for decent coverage (not too hard to find, really). I also like to feel “pretty” sometimes (maybe not the best choice of words, but for lack of a better one). It’s just that even the half hearted attempt by the fashion industry to give men some color and style in underwear is still just plain UGLY in my opinion. Also, womens underwear is lighter weight and much softer, which I like.
These are the reasons that I was so easily hooked that morning so many years ago when my wife and I got out of the shower and I discovered I had no clean underwear. I looked over at her, and she quietly went to her panty drawer, pulled a pair out and tossed them to me simply saying, “Here, put these on”. Imagine my shock! But at the same time, I felt my pulse rate increase, and they felt positively wonderful as I slipped them on! Hooked. Instantly. I knew life would never be the same. Ha, ha.
Martin, you mentioned the color of pink for boys. I remember when I was in junior high school in the late 50’s that pink was “way cool” for boys to wear. Pink and black was a HOT fashion choice, and I had at least one pink shirt that I wore with black trousers.
It’s actually back again, too, as I have seen meny men in pink lately. Check out the TV news anchors. You’ll see a lot of pink on men.
And just for the record, if anyone is asking: Yes, I do have some pink panties that I wear (blush), as well as white, blue, green, and all colors in between. I just like variety in my clothing.
Speaking of which (variety), men used to wear lace, too, and ruffles. My wife and I were little hippies in La Jolla, CA when we got married. My wedding outfit was tapestry bell bottom trousers, with a matching vest, and a green crape shirt that was all ruffled down the front. The buttons were covered, with three on each cuff, and I believe if I remember correctly, the ones on the cuffs fastend through loops, like a woman’s blouse. But it was a mans shirt (we bought it in a mens store at Fashion Valley Mall).
Hi Bill;
I mentioned the color pink for that reason that we are saying today it is a girls color, but it isn’t. I also wear pink shirts, tie, panties, and always I can hear that it fits so well to my person as well to my outfit. Together with a black or white skirt it looks always nice.
Back to the question “weird or wonderful”, I never heard a comment that skirts on me looking weird, always I hear that a skirts ‘fits’ better to my person/personality than pants. I got a lot of support wearing skirts by my “Boss” [female], so I just can do what I like/want.
Hey Martin: That’s awsome that your female boss has no problem with you wearing skirts. How lucky can one get?
Back on Memorial Day, I took part in the activities in Mercer, PA, and there was a group of “Pipers” (bagpipes). Some of them were young boys, and they looked really great in their kilts. I was thinking at the time how much I would like to be wearing one. The boys and men looked very good and very comfortable with wearing them. There was also at least one girl with them.
They were good “pipers” too. Fun, fun, fun.
Enjoyed the comments…I bought my first skirt in 1985. It was a khaki skirt that went to my knees, and felt very comfortable with it. My wife liked it as well and I began buying more skirts. Then, it made sense to buy a few matching tops to go with the skirts, all from the women’s section. I’m not a crossdresser, but felt very comfortable in the skirts and matching tops. A few years ago, my wife bought me a full dress to try out. I tried it on and it felt better than the skirts, because there was no belt around the waist.
The first time in public wearing the dress was quite liberating, to be honest. So, I started buying more dresses. I haven’t bought a traditional man’s outfit since the dress, and wear dresses and skirts almost exclusively. I do have 3 pants suits that really like, when I go someplace that maybe a dress or skirt wouldn’t be the best choice, a wedding for example.
The only men’s clothes I have is for doing dirty work around the house. I can cut my lawn in a denim skirt, which works with most around the house tasks. We need to change our perceptions of what is acceptable to what is comfortable. Thanks to all the posters here.
Men can wear any type of skirt – either knee length or full length or even mini that look nicely with legs also it good to get cooler when it hot weather but think it best for fashion change as trousers are so boring – Im male and wear tights, mini skirt and either boots or flat shoes that look really nicely that give me lighter, comfortable and feel good. I dont see anything wrong with it plus buy skirt seem so cheap than trousers (I bought quite a lots from Ebay between new and used)… wear skirt as it your body and dont let anyone tell you what to wear, have fun
“Don’t let anyone tell you what to wear”, that is the main point.
We have to jump out of the box to be able to think out of the box, and that we have to practice – maybe to learn first. But it is possible.
I believe that men have pretty soon the same possibilities like women, wearing what is comfortable and practical. Men, you have to get your skirts for summer/fall (I’m not a retailer!).
Exactly, Christine. I have long thought about the fact that men have no variety in their dress. Pants are pants. There is little that can be done to vary the look. But look at all the different styles of dresses and skirts! And how about a mans suit? They all look the same, basically, and with the tie? All men look exactly the same. Boring! I want to have the same choices women have in clothes.
Besides, a skirt is so much cooler to wear in hot weather, even cooler than shorts. And it feels great to have my legs exposed.
I havn’t been brave enought to wear in public yet, however.
Maybe soon. We’ll see. I hope this trend becomes mainstream soon!
I’ve only recently (with in the last two years) started wearing pantyhose, when I discovered that they make them for men, and they also make unisex. However, I just buy Nononsense pantyhose at the store. Love ‘em. They make my legs feel wonderful (I do shave). My wife approves, and also lets me wear panties (which was her idea first); they are so much more comfortable then mens undies.
Go for it guys! It doesn’t hurt, and you won’t know what it’s like till you try.
Kevin, that’s great. You were a real trail blazer if you’ve been wearing since 1985. Even better that your wife approves and buys for you.
I was wondering your age? I’m over 65 (but I’ve been wearing panties for many years). What was it that got you started? Wish I had discovered this years ago.
I think the men in the pictures wearing skirts look stunning. Really great. Some I like better than others, but then, that’s the idea … choices.
I would never have thought of wearing a skirt until I started seeing articles like this on the Internet, and thought, “How cool, I want to try one”.
Thanks Bill; Actually the men’s skirt reached the mainstream in spring 2009, but most didn’t notice it. And, by the way, it is not a question about the age, it is never too late to start something different or new.
Congratulation to you that you found a comfortable way of dressing, now, just go out in public. It’s a slow process but you’ll like it, I guess.
@Kevin: I think a wedding would be one of the best possibilities to show up different, as an example in a skirt. A wedding is a wonderful event, joy, fun [everybody should be happy!], and men does not have to dressed up like penguins.
Christine: Mainstream? Spring 2009? Where? Did I miss something? Why don’t I see them in stores? Why not here? That would be wonderful. Tell me more.
Bill; There were several articles in NYTimes, fashion magazines and TV shows last year -I think it was in September/October 2008 showing new fashion trend for men. One of the several hundred websites:
http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2008/12/its_official_man_skirts_have_r.html
It was continuing in January 2009 with “Old fashion enjoys a comeback, men in skirts”.
I believe that you couldn’t find mens skirts in shops at this time because right now the retailer only selling what people demand, and as you know, men do not demand too much, just wearing what others are wearing. Thats all.
But by the way,some Parisian stores selling men’s skirts, but a little bit expensive I heard. I did not check that out.
Actually there are many things in motion but most men are afraid to go with the new trend which could become a wave – depends on that how men will react.
my problems is men size which dont fit me as Im suffered from weight loss that why I used women size denim skirt that fit me prefect same as trousers as well – I used jean trousers at work and skirt at home. Yes it very cool for men wear skirt and it will get more into market like selling from online or high street shop so dont be afraid, just wear and have fun
Hi Christine: Thanks for that link. I had read another article from the same NY Fashion Site. I know that the designers are pushing this issue every year since several years ago, but I have not seen much progress, so when you said “mainstream”, I’m wondering, “where” (or if I want to make a pun, “wear”)?
I would expect to see men wearing skirts (maybe not hundreds of men) everywhere if it were indeed “mainstream”; but maybe in some places men do wear.
Someone posted (maybe here, I’d have to check back) that they can be seen frequently in L.A. If so, the trend should spread, and I know that there is a manufacturer in the Pacific N.W. that makes the Utilikilt. But I don’t know how widespread the acceptance of the trend is.
For me, I want to wear. I tried it and like it. I love the freedom, and I do actually like the look; but, I think men should definitely shave their legs, if they are very hairy. I do shave mine (men shaving their legs is not that rare or unusual. I once knew a guy in construction that shaved).
As you said, it will take men just “doing it”, but first someone (like the designers are doing) has to plant the seeds and dispell the myths to ease the fear many, who would want to wear and would, have of actually going out in public in a skirt. Especially in an area where I live, which is rural, though close to several small cities.
one of my work staff who has problems with something in left leg after has operation – small tube attached to his left leg and dont feel very comfortable with trousers as he cannot lift or bend knee so I told him that he better wear skirt so he will try out and see if it help – that why trousers are too tight that hurt inside his left leg so skirt can help a lots easily.
Hi Bill;
Actually I do not have too much experience where most men wering skirts, but last year in late August I was in Seallte, WA. Within one hour I saw 4 men wearing skirts – different style of skirts, and only one was a kilt.
I case of mainstream: When more men would wear skirt the mainstream would be spread, but most men don’t care about. In N.Y.C. for sure you’ll see more skirted men, especially during weekends.
I am saying “just do it” that means, do what you feel like, and if you are confident with it, everybody will accept it. Even in rural areas where you can talk to people, they will accept it. In large cities nobody really cares, better nobody will pay attention, because people on the streets running for their own business.
@lucky09: Absolutely recommended because we have almost the same situation at my workplace. This men had an accident long time ago and has to wear support stockings which is a torture under pants. He’s wearing skirts with “permission” of his boss. No problem at all.
(permission means he asked the boss and her answer was: If you feel confident with it, do it. It is more important that you stay healthy than all other issues)
For more than 20 years I hated the warm weather because the combination of wearing overalls, working with large engines and skin which readily suffered from prickly heat made life a real misery. For the last five years I have used skirts almost exclusively in the three hottest months in the UK and it has made a huge difference to my life as well as saving a small fortune in bum ointment.
Women’s skirts are mostly useless as they are designed for people with larger hip to waist ratios than men and who rarely engage in climbing or working in extreme positions. I have mine made to my specifications by an excellent dressmaker. The working skirts are in heavyweight denim, fully lined and with a large hem length so that I can step up almost height that I can get my foot to without anything becoming tight. Large and plentiful pockets for keys and tools etc. For leisure I prefer something ankle length but still very full with a long hem.
There is plenty of ignorant prejudice from both males and females with comments of “tranny” despite the fact that I have a beard and am usually wearing steel toecapped boots. If I fancied a frilly concoction in pink chiffon such jibes might perhaps be justified.
You have to be both persistent and strong willed to wear a skirt in public but it is not illegal and the benefits, particularly for those with skin problems, can be enormous. It feels rather wierd at first but in less than an hour it will be obvious whether it will be right for you. If you have the guts or are in chronic discomfort just try one and be amazed.
Marcel, you did the right thing. Would more men acting like you – I think there would be no question happen about the issue “men in a skirt” or something like that.
For me it is no question that men supposed to be dressed in a skirt or dress rather than pants.
Even some people might say it is “usual” in kind of dressing style, but it is a absolute inproper wardrobe for male bodies shape.
I have to correct some of my writing, in my last paragraph I meant it is “unusual” in kind of dressing style dress in skirts but “pants” are an absolute inproper……….
Clearly, I support men in skirts because it is the only and healthy clothes for men.
Let’s say the facts: Men in skirts are not usual in western societies, but on the other hand there are some countries where men wearing skirts.
We are at a point of change, in our understanding and in case of acceptance. If you would read in the new TIME magazine “Family Tech” you would understand why. This article ends with some thoughts about mens tighs (manning hose) and tells everybody some truths from the past. It explains clearly, why that a man’s area should be 1 degree colder than the rest of the body. Please, try to do that with a pair of pants.
When people beginning to think about their health and body comfort they will come to the result that a skirt will be the best wardrobe for men. And that is the truth, even it looks strange for some people.
It seems to me that women are quite accepting of men wearing skirts, which in a way surprises me, but perhaps it shouldn’t. Women have been borrowing from men for years.
As far as pantyhose go (tights), there are more than a few manufacturers of pantyhose for men, and also unisex pantyhose. I find wearing pantyhose very comfortable; I like the feel on my legs. I prefer hose that have a degree of compression for support. They feel the best to wear, and once I tried them (my wife totally approved) I was hooked. What I don’t understand is why today so many women shun them. I think they feel wonderful, and they make the legs look great when wearing shorts (or a skirt). Of course, shaving the legs is reccomended. Hairy legs under hose doesn’t look real great!
Yes I also agreed with you Bill that tights are feel great after shaving legs, i do wear black opaque tights and denim skirt and flat shoes that look really nicely, it still feel so good plus yes it look good on men wearing tights and skirt that would be nice change in fashion – if you still have hairy legs then i dont think it good to wear tight on, it too itchy, best shave legs first then put tights on.
Christine, I had heard that in Seattle there could be seen quite a few men in skirts, but I believed that was mostly because the Utilikilt is made there (I think, unless it’s Oregon). But you said only one of the men you saw was wearing a Utilikilt. Awsome! I hope this spreads like a California wildfire across the nation, because I don’t want to have any hestation about wearing. As I said in an earlier post, after my first time wearing, I was hooked in less than an hour!
Besides being very comfortable, I think that a man in a skirt is a great look. I have always admired the kilted pipers that I have seen playing at festivals etc., and even then have wanted to try a kilt.
As we have all said, it has only been the Western world that gave up the skirt for men in favor of trousers.
This is true, Lucky09, the shaving is really necessary in my opinion. Once I started to shave my legs (for the hose) I never wanted them unshaven again, hose or not.
I knew a guy years ago that worked construction with me that shaved his legs. At first I thought it strange, but when he explained why, it made a lot of sense. He was a cyclist, and said if you take a spill, hair on the legs can catch on pavement and actually rip the skin away (outch!). I never gave it another thought after that, but I swear I have seen many men who look like their legs are shaved, and they probably are. I just love the feel of smooth skin.
Again, with the skirt, I think it’s a better look than with hairy legs. But I suppose it depends on the person. Some could get away without shaving. Others, no.
Shaving produces a more even tan. Get a nice miniskirt tan, Much cooler. Less perspiration. I love the epilator more than the razor. Maybe once every two months instead of every few days to stay smooth. No more hairy arm pits or messy pubic hair. Even my dear wife likes the smooth. Now if I could just understand why she wears pants in the summer . . .
Yes I used the Braun epilator shaver that seem very good one – you can feel the hair roots pull out wee bit pain but use the wipe first then use epilator that give you really nice smooth for weeks.
The other day I was in a Dollar General store in a city about 25 miles from where I live. I was wearing a dress. I walked by 2 teenage girls, when they saw me one of them said, “look mom that man is wearing a dress.” The 2 girls started laughing so loud that you could hear them all over the store. Their mother told them several times, “girls, girls, be quiet.” “Be quiet girls.” I have had things like that to happen many times since I have been wearing dresses. Other men that trys wearing dresses in public might get laughed at all along, especially by giggly teenage girls. That should never keep men from wearing dresses in public. Nobody has to let things like that bother them. Dresses are wonderful, the thing to do is to enjoy them and not worry about how other people will react.
Terry, just remember that these same girls are probably wearing underwear that looks like mens Jockey shorts. Then let them laugh.
Some of those “panties” are hard to distinguish from mens. The only difference is the fly doesn’t open.
Yes just ingore it – if these girls are too young then they dont understand all about it, just wear what you like. These girls might have wearing boxer shorts as well so ingored it and keep going on and yes dress make you feel good as it much lighter, I do have jumper dress (black/grey stripe) that look nice) – dont worry about other people think.
One incident that I shall never forget from maybe ten years ago. A young girl of maybe five or six who was holding her mother’s hand exclaimed in that loud outdoor voice common to the very young, “Skirts are for girls & pants are for boys!” Since both she & her mother were wearing pants I said, “Thank you young man. I’m glad your father brought you here to tell me that.” Her mother jerked that kid away so fast that one of her arms is probably still longer than the other.
In another case a few years back I was asked if I was a transvestite. My response to the pants wearing lady who asked, “No more than you are.”
Don’t let the hypocrites wear you down ! ! !
If you just wonder how the education is that time….. only laughing is a sign of bullying. Girls in teen-age and below do not think, just keeping up with that they learned from parents or friends. It is the same with young boys.
Never take all that too seriously – it’s not worth. If you like dresses or you like skirts, just wear it. Wear it as a manly man and go on, smiling to everybody, don’t think what girls might wear as underwear (if they do) just know that YOU are steps ahead in case of equality (Equmen)[see: Time magazine, >time.com/manscaping<. This article is not about skirts or dresses, but will follow, I strongly believe.
Mara, I looked at the referenced Time article. Some of the things pictured are not new. For example, when I was growing up (would have been late 50’s early 60’s) there were what were called “Deck Pants” made by Dickies. They looked like what is shown as “manpris” (silly term) in the article, and they were very popular among those of us who were sailors (my dad had a 20′ sailboat). Everyone wore them.
Of course pantyhose made just for men, and unisex pantyhose have been around for at least several years now. I really love wearing P.H. Make the legs feel sooooo good!
Many other compression types of clothing have been around a long time too, but looks like they have been modernized with new technology.
I’m a little leary of the make-up, however. That seems a bit vain for a man. Show biz, yes. Street wear; it’s a bit much.
Hi Bill;
I looks like that we grew up in the same time. But honestly I did not pay any attention to all things around fashion. It is not new to me either that pantyhose for men are around since 10 years, beginning just with the disapperance of the sign “Lady’s” or “Women’s” pantyhose. Today only pantyhose which are special designed for women have still “Women’s” on the package (which are just few). I learned the same for skirts, if they have “Women’s skirt”, they are designed for women, if there are skirts just called as “skirts” they are unisex, maybe since 3 or 4 years from now.
I gave the link for this article because of the main article in the TIME magazine “Spanx for Men” and the intention to come closer to that they call “Equmen” [short for equality for men” which show to me that is clearly a movement now.
Time magazine will continue with this kind of articles.
Hi Bill, Lucky, Dave, and Mara. Thanks for responding to my message. It did not bother me one bit for the girls to laugh at me for wearing a dress. I just keep a smile on my face and go on. I love dresses so much, and I’m going to keep wearing them no matter what.
Hi Terry, Mara, Lucky and all:
It’s interesting to note (as has been done many times above this post) that it is mainly just the West that has regarded skirts and dresses as womens fashion only. Looking at history, and artwork from centuries past, one can see many pictures of men in what appear to be robes, skirts (Roman gladiators for example) and even dresses. I’m not sure trousers had even been thought of then!
In fact, even in the Bible when we read phrases like “gird your loins” (for battle), it of course refers to tying up the garments to allow more freedom of movement for the legs.
Definitely an interesting topic, and I hope to see more and more offerings from the designers of skirts (and perhaps even dresses) for men. It’s about time we got away from the suit and tie which makes every man look virtually identical. What is it, a uniform? And of course, even for casual dress, the skirt makes so much sense, especially in hot weather.
I have always thought I would like wearing a skirt but with the social taboos, did not dare try it. However, a few years ago, I bought a kilt (what? a 50+ Scotsman without a kilt!) and have worn it on quite a few occasions. My wife likes it when I wear it in the house for some reason!
I am slim built, just under 6′ have moderately hairy legs but this is masked as I always take a good sun tan in the summer.
Recently, I have bought a couple of mini-skirts on e-bay and today wore one travelling to a meeting (stretch denim 14″ long). I filled up with petrol at the motorway service station and paid for it still wearing the skirt. Saw a few double-takes from both sexes – even from the two policemen having a Costa coffee!
At the meeting a chickened out and pulled on trousers (too many work colleagues would have been stunned) but took them off again for the return journey. I bought some food and drink at the service station on way back simply to know that I could walk about in public with the skirt on – and again there was little noticeable funny looks.
It felt good and liberating and I will be wearing it again sometime – like going shopping. I do not see why more men cannot “take the plunge” and try it!
Skirts for men have been worn throughout history – why not start the trend again. I hope articles like this encourage more people to try it.
Noticed the article about women in war-time wearing trousers – what a fuss was made at the time. All it needs is a slight change it attitude and a bit of confidence to go for it.
I have been wearing womens panties for 20 years. I finaly Had my first trip in public wearing a miniskirt.I did it on a dare. It was the best ride I ever had. Driving across the desert in 100 degree heat, I was very comfertable and at gas stop no one noticed my skirt. I plann to wear skirts more often.
You are so right, John and Ross; I remember wearing first time a skirt in public – I was excited and nervous – later I was a little bit disappointed because nobody really took notice, it was like ‘normal’. Today, people do not pay any attention anymore for men in skirts [speaking for myself].
Just a short voice from a all time medical stockings wearer: After an accident I have to wear medical stockings all the time, no matter what weather, hot or cold. They are looking neat, but they are extremly hot, and under pants not usable, so there is no other way than wearing skirts – just a (the) way to survive.
I can’t understand the original question above: “Looking weird or wonderful”, only a silly combination. For me it looks wonderful wearing a skirt because of keeping me alive and feel good – as far a can say that.
Sometimes I’m feeling alone when I am wearing a skirt, but all my friends are accepting how I am looking and never I heard a negative comment – living in a little community up north.
I want to encourge all men to wear what they want, wearing the comfortable clothes they can get, because you have only ONE health and ONE life to live.
i deffinitly agreewith alot of you. i havent worn one yet but i would like to try. i look back in biblicle days and they are wearing the skirts and dresses. and now a days men need to go out and wear paints suite and ties but do you see that with the romans or in biblicle days. absolutly not. the ladies wear paints in the military so why cannt us men wear dresses in every day life. they made it so why cant we wear it.
Mike;
You can wear skirts in public, there is no law or rule that does not allow it.
It is just on you. Men afraid to wear skirts because it was a long time mainly a women’s garment, but only in area’s of western societies/influences. That’s all. So go on and try it, wear the skirt you like. Stand for your idea, and show up as a manly man.
christine:
Thank you for the confidence boost it is very nice to here that weman think that men wearing skirts and other items on a man is atractive. I will try one. in fact i tried one earlier today and you know what i kind of liked it but yet at the same time i didnt. and yes i know there is NO law aginst it. so i do agree with you wear what you want and what you are confrotable in.
Yes there is no law agaisnt men wearing skirt in public – it still allow to wear skirt and go out anywhere, last year I wear black tights, navy cord skirt (very short about 12″), black calf boots and then went out for walk to get fresh air and cops car pass other side and turn round and stopped ask me where im going – I just told them i just having walk with nice fresh air (it was late night cos it need cool air) and they just ingored and drove out, they just checking for drunk young people also people walking passing me plus cars, taxi,etc.. already that seem went ok – it still allow for men to wear skirt but need more into public and keep trying, dont be afriad – i was nervous at 1st time but afterward I felt much comfortable.
I’ve been wearing skirts of all kinds in public since 2005, and hiding in my house in them since 1973. Also, my mother put me in them when I was born and lived. My mom had 6 female babies, 3 were still-born, and the other 3 died between birth and 6 years old. I was the 7th child and the only one that got to adulthood. My mom had lots and lots of female clothing left over from her girls.
I got my first male clothes when I outgrew the hand-me-downs. I hated them, still do. Trousers are a bane to the male anatomy. I really really don’t miss the decision of which hole to put my jewels in and pinch them with my leg. Now, they are free in the air. Muuuuch better.
I think skirts and skirted garments for men are the future, get used to it, we are not going back. Just like women didn’t give up trousers after WW2. Actually, trousers are a wonderful invention. They fit female anatomy far better than they fit male anatomy.
M.U.G.’s forever! M.U.G. = Male Unbifurcated Garments. Bifurcated = 2 holes for 2 legs. Unbifurcated = 1 hole for 2 legs.
It is not just looking for attractive men, I learned that a man is much more attractive when he feels comfortable and is healthy.
Yes, I am a strong supporter for men in skirts because of that I said above and when I saw my husband in a skirt. Just great, yes also beautiful (usual used for women) and really handsome. But wearing a skirt and all whathe want, as a real man, straight and with pride, that makes the difference.
I never would recommend any men wearing pants anymore – I learned my lessons.
My mrs wasn’t so keen when I first bought a kilt, but now she loves it! Kilts are so much more comfortable than trousers, in fact, I’ve bought a couple of denim skirts, after I had a denim kilt. My wife isnt so sure of that, but she’ll come around. I’ve started going out in the denim skirt, I get a few double takes, some smirks from small minded people, but in general I don’t care what others think.
Because it’s a pencil skirt, I just have to watch my modesty a little more and sit more careful than I would in jeans.
It’s more healthy for a guy to wear a skirt than trousers, especially when it’s hot. Look up Rick Owens, he’s showing skirts for men in this year’s 2009 fashion shows. I think it’s stuff for 2010. I’d happily wear a skirt over leggings, the look is cool!
I think people don’t really care anymore. Anyway, skirts are cheaper, and in this recession we need to save our pennies:) J
Yes skirts are so cheap as I got a lots of denim mini skirt on Ebay for about between 99p to £2.25 (some used and some new) – seem prefect fit and look so cool plus yes we need save some pennies while it recession. My body need more air cool that why I went out for walk when it cool weather that give me nice airflow through under skirt
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Yes, skirted men are growing. But it is not enough to write emails or comments I think, we should getout of the house, maybe sometimes meet each other.
The map you mentioned give some hints, maybe it works out.
Somme lady dont like men in skirt. They dont like to see hairy legs. Do they ask there man to shave? maybe they like women. They said men in skirt,it is not nice, maybe it is true.Thing of a man 6 feet tall 160 pounds not an once of fat, I can tell you he look very great in skirt. Somme girl dont like it becose the boy was looking to nice in skirt. But i thing they are affraid of loosing a simbole of feminité if men start to wear skirt anny type of skirt except maybe the one with flower like or micro skirt that are for girl on sidewalk for money. In the future we may see more men in skirt. then the skirt will be unisex and just a normal piece of clothing. If the man find it very good to wear and like it, they will keep going to mwear it. And if the girl stop to wear it becose it is no more feminine. no prolbleme for me, i like skirt,it is fun to wear it after shower.
Yes men should go out with skirt rather than write this comment, dont be afriad as it free country. Ive tried and seem it goes very well – ingored people if laugh or anything cos they are too chicken to wear skirt in public, it nice and feel so cool – I feel very easily and keep going on, been into the town for my cash at ATM machine with people queue at the back, at the park (quite busy) and at petrol – no problem at all
In response to getting out ad not just commenting – I partly agree, if it had not been for the info on the net about skirt wearing men my wife nor I would ave ventured into the area. I have raps that I had been wearing around the house and when I found the info on the net about men in skirts and NOT as cross dressing trannies or the like. Once my wife and looked some of the stuff over we felt it was ok and strated getting me some skirts. So, yes get out there (where you can safely I would add) but keep the net info current so others that need a little info, confidence or friends of like mind – will have a plce to go. The net is the best place as there is NO public support groups, meeting halls, news ads, or anything like that for people to see what’s going on. The map I mentioned has been a really good thing. Even though there are relatively few members listed it give one the sence of not being alone with a strange forbiden need. When lokking at the map and note – how many people actually live close enough to meet, not alot.
Also, I had ads for me to be contacted about a skirters group here my area and go no responses, so I figure I am alone in the area. So the net has been a good thing.
Hi Guys;
I did not mean that anything is wrong with the net or writing comments …. it was a thought that it is important that you must go out in public, with idea and skirt. Presenting what’s new and exciting, and men in skirts are exciting.
Also, I think it is time that more wives should support their husbands getting off pants and start a new outfit with them. So the attention to each other would be increasing – which would be a very positive
way for future living together. Just a thought.
That is the key thought. A man’s spouse must be supportive of his garment choices much as he supports her garment choices. To allow the lady to wear pants while she refuses to allow her husband to wear a skirt is certainly hypocritical & closed-minded. My wife is intelligent & well educated; therefore, she never has even considered a double standard for clothing choices. The reality is that any man is more comfortable in a skirt. He will wear a skirt unless he wants to wear pants like 99% of the women do. Why any man would deny personal comfort just to dress like 99% of the women who wear pants everyday has always been a mystery to me. From the comments that state that a man can’t wear a skirt I realize that some people must think that women have been approved by God to wear pants although in reality no woman has any more right to wear pants than a man has to wear a skirt. Women AND men just need to realize that how you cover the genitals with cloth is really no big deal. Other than a jock strap or a tampon holder garments are not gender specific. Yes, I’ve seen women who wear a bra when their AAAA chest certainly doesn’t need one for support. Don’t forget attitude. If a guy is worried that someone might see him in a skirt he lacks the individuality to be a real man anyhow. I would much rather wear a skirt than low-rise jeans with four inches of a thong showing. I’ve worn a skirt exclusively for so many years that I would be genuinely self-conscious if I were to wear pants in public.
It’s all inside your head. Do your own mental surgery. Assist your spouse with the same. Then, get out there with your newly found freedom to think & choose for yourself.
Dave;
A very good comment – unfortunately a lot of people do not read this.
What you said wasn’t just the key thought, it is the key point itself. Congratualtion.
Bess
may be if more people ask big store like sears, wall mart etc. If those store put somme type of skirt in men’s corner it may help. Or may be if they sale kilt we may see more people wearing a kilt. Kilt are expensive, but if a big compétition start for saling kilt compagny will star to do somme skirt like kilt because they will be less expensive. with the time you will not know werre the kilt end and the skirt start. It is juste one of my reflection. forget my english but i do my best. The only english i use is on tv and internet. I leave in a french place at the north of united state.
Yes it would be nice for stores to have a Kilt and skirt section for men.But they tell me no call for it. I went out car shopping and just got a few strange looks.The sale peopl treated me as if I had pants on. No postive and no negins coments. More outing to come. This site is the best I have ever been on.
Yes John and La Jupe:
The only thing is confidence. If you show up with that you’ll always the winner. That makes men manly.
New ideas for men’s skirts popping up, I think. Today I saw a young man, maybe 18-20 years in a super-short black skirt with net-pantyhose and black sneakers, and he was really confident and a kind of pride was visible.
Although it is not an original idea of mine, perhaps the clothing retailers could just have display areas arranged by the type of garment & size. No gender labels. No men’s section, girl’s section, etc. If you want a skirt it would be found in the skirt section. Now there are skirts in the girl’s, junior’s, women’s & plus size sections. Another suggestion is to size by body measurements. Everyone knows that a size 16 is not the same from store to store. Fitting rooms. Confusion. Wasted time. Dresses sold by bust (chest) size, skirts & pants by waist measurement. Rather than petite & tall sizes, just display by inseam or hemline length. It will reduce the volume of return merchandise so it will be a win-win situation for everyone.
A woman’s opinion is always appreciated. A special thanks to all of those who have contributed here. We need ideas to respond to those wives who seem to think that they have the right to wear anything that they please while their spouse must be restricted to pants. Equality isn’t going to happen until sexual restrictions are removed from our lives. Remember the days that there were job wanted sections in the newspaper by men & women since women were judged to be unfit for most jobs? Image a woman as a commercial airline pilot or as a geologist? The “who may or who may not” wear a skirt is just a lingering fragment of gender discrimination. What will Aunt Jane or the next door neighbor say if Samuel is seen wearing a skirt? It shouldn’t be any more troubling to anyone than asking what they would say if Samantha were seen in public wearing purple pants.
Gender belongs in the bedroom – not in restrictions placed upon us in our daily lives.
I like your statement, Dave. That is the point, again.
As I said in another post: “The full emancipation is finished when men wearing skirts and dresses” [actually this words are not mine, I adopted it from a very famous person in Netherland].
Your words fitting this exactly and actually it is a very clear message.
Question might be that who can really understand that.
I sure wish some of you lived near middle Tennessee!
Would be so much easier to go public with supporters and not be alone when the name calling and homophobe stuff started.
When weather get hotter here in UK and I wear lighter opaque tights and denim mini skirt and flat shoes to make cooler and then went out for short drive and stop at the big park to get nice cooler — noticed people wear trousers included jeans that too hot for them… most women dont wear skirt as they wearing long jeans (quite mostly) and some men wear shorts but mostly wear jeans in hot weather that far too hot(about 26.5oC)… should wear nice cooler clothes – skirts would be good for air flow to keep body cooler.
Lucky, you are so right. The first time I wore a skirt in hot weather, discarding my shorts, I noticed a huge differnce in my comfort level. The skirt was soooooo much cooler to wear.
I am for skirt or kilt for man. But i am not for bra or tampax. A man is a man not a lady. If a man hoppe to passe for a women, it is not the samme thing. I hoppe to see skirt for men or kilt, but not to see bra for men, it will not be a good place to carry someting. I thing a lot of men will not wear skirt, because they dont wish to pas for gay. You may say they are homophobe. yes homophobia of passing for homo.
Have be reading these post so last weekend put on a jeans skirt yeaterday When got home and put it on again and ran some errands. Got some “Looks”. A freind just bought me 4 more mid thigh skirts.I guess I’, hooked.
Hooked? Doesn’t it make more sense to be comfortable than to complain about the heat while wearing ankle-length jeans as most men & women do these days regardless of the temperature? Jean skirts come in such a variety that I’m not surprised that I own about a dozen. Masculine. Pockets. Maybe men really can think for themselves rather than just be led around by the noose of public opinion. At least some of us can!
In my personal opinion it is wonderful!
hi all. i am a blind person living in far north eastern australia, and have offten thought of getting a skirt and a top to match, due to the heat we get in the wet season here, 33 pluss degrese.
problem is, that as a blind person, and having grown up with it, i know what looks good on me when it comes to particularly male clothing, but not skirts and the like. so thats where i hesitate, not quite sure how to go about getting an outfit that won’t look horrible.
and today, when i asked my mum if she would help me, i got a rather sad put down speech.
and as a blind person, help is going to be needed, and although i can rely on staff of a shop to help, i would rather have somebody i know help me. and one thats not going to give me a major put down over my wish to atleast give it a go.
Dallas,
Try going to http://www.skirtcafe.org
Loads of folks from all over, maybe there will be a match in local for you willing to help.
Weird or Wonderful ,subject to what’s the occasion they are.If in a show or some party,it is wonderful or creative,but in everyday it is weired exactly,I think it can’t be accepted for the public.
“but in everyday it is weired exactly,I think it can’t be accepted for the public.”
True, it is an weird as a woman wearing pants; however, both that &men in skirts have already been accepted by society. The world changes. No one dresses like Betsy Ross or Napoleon anymore. Personally I have been from Florida to Hawaii to Washington State to Cape Cod without any adverse reactions. I don’t even own any pants since keeping them my closet was just useless clutter. Driving across the USA. Flying on several airlines. Even in the Bible Belt. Never been expelled from a restaurant or theater or anywhere else. Acceptance. Yes. Certainly not by 100% of all Americans. Certainly I’ve seen thousands of people that dressed like trash in my humble opinion.
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” however, both that &men in skirts have already been accepted by society. ”
Maybe it is still not acceptable in our country,and there is no men wearing like that in everyday.
Yes, there are a lot of “skirt everyday wearing men”
in our country. I am one of it, and I don’t like to discuss or argue why I am a skirt wearer. Just people around me accept it like I am. Never had a bad comment, sometimes strange views, mostly from elderly people. But believe me, I don’t care what other people “MIGHT” think, and in the words above: I am creative in every day life – not for entertainment or show, just for real. And that is fun!!
I have been wearing a skirk for 2 weeks now (every day). I am really enjoyong the comfort I never had befor.I get a few weard looks,but my wife supports me and my friends are behind me and thats all that counts.
Yes wear skirt make you very comfortable – I do wear it all time when Im not at work (cant use at work cos of dress code) – only I wear at home or during holiday, it feel so good also very lighter, cheaper than trousers plus easy to wash and ironing
When reading all recently published comments I got the feeling that men were dressed completely wrong in the past. And that seems right because of the male’s body shape.
Yes, it is right, skirts are lighter than any pants, easier to clean and iron (except pleated skirts) and men feeling skirt comfort very well like women.
mara
Mara; I think you are right and really I enjoyed reading a lot of comments in this discussion.
It seems to me that there is no question anymore about the skirt or dress on men, no question about comfort and practicability. It is more an important question how to change and how to act as man in public with a skirt or dress.
It also looks like that most men who posted know exactly what they want to do, how to dress.
Am I right with that?
have look this video on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sywhUhlbNYg&feature=related
Lucky09;
I didn’t see this video in past, but it shows that the men’s skirt is moving on. They are all in kilt style, and it is interesting how well they fit male bodies.
Actually it shows also that men can wear almost all style of skirts, or call it kilt 9which is actually the same).
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considering the number of sites where the item “men in skirts’is being discussed, I do wonder why it is still considerd by the general public as not done. There are sufficient reasons why it should be normal, especially looking back into history. Maybe by starting to let people know that those who considered such in first instance as peculiar, like Dr Jung, were looking from their own point of view and not looking beyond the borders of their home town. Create a psychosis and you have got clients…
Maybe it might be considered as done, but nobody wants to proof it.
I think the topic is actually not the skirt on men, it is like mentioned psycho-analytic unclear for some people. The history already tells you that it was ‘normal’ for men wearing skirts, and Mr. Jung as an Austrian Psycho-Analyst did not more than dividing the sexes and building for ech of them a role which they have to play. That was called gender-roles, but already out of order – actually since end of WWII.
But the people can not change, and that is amazing: Every day they learn hundreds or thousands of new things, information, etc. but do not change that the closest thing what could change men’s life. Just this simple little step – put skirts on!
We have two distinct types of people here; this distinction has not always been maintained in a sharp focus. For men who wear skirts there isn’t a continuing issue. They are presently accepted just as readily as a woman who would choose to wear pants.
The other group, hopefully never to be confused with the first group, is that of the males who refer to themselves as “Fairy Mary” or “Nanci Boy” or other such non-masculine names. These people take a female identity, attempting to physically be identified as being a female. These are not accepted by society. The critical point is that they are NOT being harassed because they are wearing a skirt but rather because they are attempting to become something that they simply aren’t.
Those who say that skirts are accepted by the public if worn by the guys who wish to remain guys are indeed correct. Those who say that the second group hasn’t found acceptance are likewise correct. In my humble opinion, the second group isn’t going mainstream within my lifetime. It is NOT the issue of a skirt with this second group. It is much more complex than that.
I like wearing skirts! They give so much freedom of movement. I frequently wear a black skirt with a white blouse at home, but when I go out, it’s all the way with oadded bra, slio, and panty hose and panties, + high heels of course. I’m able to get by with it as I have even been to movie theaters and rode the city buses with no ine seeming to know the difference. I like the makeup also,enjoy a good lipstick even when at home.When I walk along a street it seems that women look at me moreso than men! ?? I guess they are comparing me to themselves as I have a good bosom shwiung through the white blouse.
“Joan”
You sound like you like to be seen as a woman while wearing skirts. While that is fine – to each thier own – however in this forum we are putting in the public eye Men In Skirts Totally OTHER then cross dressing or other such behavior. It is the wish of many of us NOT to be thought of as crossdressing, trans-whatevers. SO unless the idea of simply replacing pants or shorts with a skirt and not doing ANY other female type “drees-up” Please allow us to have a forum free of such behavior.
So please all here – to wear a skirt as a Man & NOT with fake body parts, tuckings or other stuff is the idea.
Mark, you are a genius who represents the real guys of the universe. I am happy as a guy. My wife really likes it better than way. I wonder what kind of a relationship with real women a wannabe female would have. One thing for certain is that all of those fake women do absolutely nothing to advance fashion freedom for real men like most of us who are husbands & fathers. We are loved & respected by real women.
Speaking of those fake women, I must admit that I miss a few; however my wife can really spot a fake female. I don’t understand the workings of her inner radar. Women tolerate the fakes but according to my spouse real women think the fakes are in the same category as court jesters & clowns. That obviously has little to relate to fashion freedom for men as is the subject of this site. From time to time some guys take a fake women from the bar to assist them in becoming more feminine. As in castration in the back alley. A few of the fakes meet their maker that way. So the fakes are respected neither by women or men. They have a target on their back.
Again, getting society to accept frauds is not related to fashion freedom for real men. Amen, brother.
Yes, Dave, the second group has its problem, if you see this group as the men wearing skirts as manly men.
I notized that make the difference how men wearing skirts, it goes with their behavior. Our neighbor is a skirt wearer whenever he likes it, he does it. He is wearing skirts with pantyhose or socks, no high heels. Even when we might think about that some of his clothing mainly was only used by women, there is no doubt at all that he is showing up as a very manly man. I think parallel to women when they wearing pants, they are still women. It is how men wearing this kind of wardrobe.
I think most men can wear skirts and dresses and still be doubtless men. Using skirts and dresses only gives more comfort for their body and maybe freedom, but men also have to watch how to sit or bend down, that all. Of course pleated skirts given some problems on windy days.
If people will not think of me as a man who wish to pass for a femalle, i will go on street with a skirt. But i do not whish a second to pass for a lady. But there is so many people who wish to pass for femalle, make me think twice before to go out in skirt. Like a lot people may think i will tell.( when they will be a lot of men in skirt and they will be know to be very true male, not people who whish to pass for femalle, i will wear it outside.)
But for today no.
La Jupe,
How you wear the outfit really makes a differance. Just replace the pants with the skirt and not go with stockings, make-up and padded parts. Keep your look as you would in shorts ot pants.
I find that doing things around the house – inside and out – wearing a skirt has helped my comfort with them. I admit I do not try to go public in skirts as of yet but it is mostly due to my location then anything. Middle TN US is not really the right place right now to be a pioneer in such clothing. Now, had I the income to afford a nice kilt (did once by the time I got it it was too small in the waist and had to return, then the company stopped making the affordable kind) it would be an adventure.
But I still say, wear them at home, start going outside around the house – check mail, water plants, get stuff from the car – and let your comfort grow. Just maybe you will find someone near by interested in it as well.
Back to the way women might react. For years my wife indicated that she would appreciate if I would wear a skirt like garment. Not knowing whether I would like it I tried it during her absence and in order to get an idea as to how other might see it I used my camera. Due to her illness I had many a sleepless night and did a bit of photoshopping with these pictures. When she found out, her reaction was great, I had never ezxperienced her as h…y, later on after she had discussed it with her friends her attitude changed and after three months she filed for devorce as I would be sexual deviant, an expression she learned from her friends or psychiatrist. During the court session she even threatend to make the pictures she had found public if I would not answers the question in compliance with her wishes. I did answer the questions posed by the judge as I felt right.
Whilst trying whether or not I would like to wear a skirt, I learned to appreciate the comfort and I do think that even when a skirt is worn in combination with stockings – it were hers eventhough now one can get male stockings easy enough- normal loafers all in a shade of chocolate brown, jacket and tie it could even be considered fashionable without becoming feminime. Apart from the experience it was also something I had for myselves, which was considering the nature of the illness and the effects of the medication, enhancing her dominant nature towards borderline like behaviour, something which got my mind of the things going on in the house also due to the fact that I work from my home as self employed person. Such did not interest her at all and now she tries to degrade me as much as possible and in first instance she even thought that she would be able to get herselves a new life with out child.
The essence of the story is how a positive attitude can change withion a few weeks to a serious negative attitude without allowing for a dialogue in order to overcome the situation, but such behaviour is normal for people with borderline (like) attitude.
I guess it is an extreme case with a cause that can be partially attributed to the illness and medication.
Jo, the impact and influence of negative people can be very strong. But still I think it is not the discussion between your wife and you would help, it would change anything.
One bad word you never can replace hundred good, and people tend to stay on negative – it is more exciting than positive.
Lately I saw a male teacher at our school changing his outfit completely from traditional pants to skirts with pantyhose (he has to wear support stockings). First day everybody was talking about, and the principal heard about it. He did not react because in his opinion should everybody wear he/she want.
Second day some people did not talk to this teacher, but students gave him the “super cool” ‘grade’. He smiled to everybody, was friendly and frankly. After three days nobody took more attention to him as normal, but some parents came to school and want to see him skirted. That was very positive for the school and its publicity. That was happen six or seven weeks ago, I never saw him wearing pants anymore, and in my opinion he looks much more ‘manly’ than in pants ever.
Two thoughts:
Perception. Jo or Mary or Samantha or any other feminine name conjures a feminine persona. That’s great if you are a biological female but not so great if you are not. If you presume a feminine name how far has the appearance changed to match the persona? Virtually every wife wants to be married to a 100% genuine man on a 24/7 basis. I could easily side with a woman’s reason for divorce court in such a circumstance. Just think of how you would feel if your wife suddenly wanted to be a man. Yuk. I would be out of there. FAST.
The second thought. If a woman really believes that skirts & dresses are items of womens clothing & pants are items of mens clothing then she may no longer wear pants unless she is guilty of everything that she is accusing her mate of being. Very few women are stupid enough to take that stance. A female crossdressing hypocrite. WOW!
Jo,
You may need to clearify a point or two to make your point and gain acceptance (I say this due to the response from Dave)
1 – Is Jo your real name or a female adaptive identity?
2 – In the pictures you made did you try looking at all female or just a man in a skirt?
Knowing the answers to these can clear the air sort of speeak.
Mark, as to your points:
1) an abbbriviation, not having given thought to what dave wrote, no intention of adepting to a female identity. Same as trying a skirt, it was curiosty in first instance due to the remarks made by my wife.
2) just a man in skirt, pictures by means of selftimer to see from the side and rear. If you are trying to see whetehr there would be a form of crossdressing, the question does rise as to when such is the case. I guess when one goes into make-up and wigs and thus creates the illusion of being a woman. I guess a tweed jacket and tie are an indication of the opposite.
Also, psychiatrist Binet, living in Nice in the late 1800’s was the first to use stigma’s which were later incorperated in the thougts of Jung and more recent psychiatrists. At the time Binet formulated his thoughts it was still quit common in rural areas for men to wear skirts or skirt like garments. hence if mr Binet would have gone into the rural areas more often, the issue being discussed would be a non-issue.
Taking loads of pictures has always been a hobby. Used to do parties and weddings.
As indicated my wife is ill, hence I took over quit a bit of the householdchores next to my normal work. As the last retion therapist indicated and such might contain a word of truth, the combination of doing the household chores and the skirt, might have rang alarm bells as I was getting to close to things associated with the female identity under normal circumstances. As my wife has created the illusion, in which she is supported by her friends and family, that nothing is wrong with her eventhough she gets regular treatment, she was not able to see things in a proper perspective as seems to be normal with people who are cronically ill.
The medication she received and receives does alter the personnality.
Just a small story, a number of years ago my wife was in the habit of taking socks from my socks drawer and when I asked whether she would mind if I could have her stockings, she really was rattled and never again borrowed socks.
Mark, can you see the stars twikle again now, or should I say, have things been clarified sufficiently?
Jo,
Your answers do clear any gray area’s. I do not belive anyone else will question your position as Dave had done.
Good lcuk on the home front.
Older guy here, 65+. I wear kilts and skirts and love both. Yes I still wear trowsers and shorts but the kilts and skirts (which are really the same thing) give a whole new sense of freedom of comfort and coolness. Pants are really great, but when you think about it they fit a womans anatomy waay better than a mans.
I think it doesn’t matter what age you are – it only make a difference in the length of the skirts. As long you feel comfortable in it you should wear it.
About idendity: A skirt does not change an idendity, the person must do it. Also, a wig or some other items in the wardrobe can not change the idendity.
Please don’t be worry about that. If a cross-dresser comes up with real crossdressing, it is still not a change, it only gives the crossdresser the feeling that he is in the role of the opposite gender (not sex).
I think we are mixing too much in this case: Crossdressing is originally a very positive word for dressing cross, like wearing white and black together. Now we are using it for reasons that we can’t really combine: Men wearing skirts are not crossdressing otherwise we have to say that nearly 100% of women would be crossdressers when using or having pants in their wardrobe.
That cannot work because it is wrong. When men like to wear skirts and/or dresses it is nothing else than using a different style of clothing, in my opinion, it is not cross-dressing. The same goes on when men wearing a bra. Opposite would than women do not use this support
Well it seems that my thoughts about going skirted away from the house here are right on the money. Found a local chat board and posted the question about men in skirts and the flaming that fired up – I expected but hoped wouldn’t see – my advice “anyone in/near Ft Campbell, KY-Clarksville, TN area AVOID going skirted in public, may cost more then it’s worth”
Just my luck – I live here, outcast at home.
The men who are affraid of man in skirt, they may juste are afraid of liking it to much. Becose of that, they will try to beat the real man who wear a skirt to proff they dont like it but inside thereself they just dream of it.Ho i am not a crossdressing, i beat them, i am a very rude man.I think somme of those guy who goes in number to beat a man are juste sisi guy whit no bal.
Mark, can’t see that wearing skirt goes together with money. I’m wearing skirts and kilts at my workingplace too, very public. Just positive reaction, best comment: “We like international flair”.
Cross-dressing. Men wearing skirts is fine in the 21st Century. That is not cross-dressing. Men who want to be women wearing skirts. That’s cross-dressing. It simply can’t be compared to women who wear pants since very few women attempt to use a male name or try to pass as being a male just to wear pants in public. However, beware there are portions of the country stuck back in the mid-20th Century. Wearing a skirt when surrounded by cave men & cave women must be rather challenging. No matter whether you are a man who is a real man or a female wannabe. My sympathies to those guys who live in prehistoric America. Hope is limited.
Names. Take Jo for example. An Internet search. http://deron.meranda.us/data/nicknames.txt follows:
JO JOAN 0.15
JO JOANN 0.50
JO JOANNA 0.50
JO JOANNE 0.50
JO JOHANNA 0.50
JO JOHANNAH 0.50
JO JOSOPHINE 0.45
Note that every one of these names is normally associated with a female. That would be a problem with most men. Hard to deny that Jo isn’t feminine.
Dave,
What about Jo as abbreviation for John, Johnson, Joseph or Johan, hence the list found by you should start with a legal frase:
“including but not limited to”
If you still consider the abbriviation Jo as solely usable in a feminime context I’ll refrain from using it and start using another alias after consulting you as to whether such would not cause the same problems as now experienced.
Jo – It’s not what you think it means, it is what the mass of the populace perceives it to mean. Yes, you have the right to call a moose a butterfly; however, it will lead to some confusion.
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Isn’t this close to Kentucky & Tennessee?
This poor lady will never taste a good cold beer again?
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A Muslim part-time model will be caned next week, becoming the first woman in Malaysia to be given the punishment under Islamic law, after she pleaded guilty to drinking beer, a prosecutor said Wednesday.
An Islamic court in July ordered that Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, 32, be lashed six times with a rattan cane after she was caught drinking alcohol in a raid on a hotel night club in eastern Pahang state last year.
Prosecutor Saiful Idham Sahimi said Kartika will be the first woman to be caned under Islamic law after she chose not to appeal the sentence.
“This is the first case in Malaysia. … It is a good punishment because under Islamic law a person who drinks commits a serious offense,” he said.
On Tuesday, the court set a one-week period starting next Monday for the sentence to be carried out in a woman’s prison, Saiful said. It is up to prison authorities to decide when to cane her during that period.
He said Kartika will remain in prison during that time and will be released “as soon as possible” after the caning is carried out.
Saiful said the rattan cane to be used on Kartika would be lighter than the one used on men, and its purpose was to “educate” rather than punish.
“can’t see that wearing skirt goes together with money”
If you haven’t the money to pay for the skirt/kilt you have been limited to how you can present yourself.
I am currently unemployed and limited income that will not allow the cost of the kilt I would like to wear. With a kilt I feel and has been advised to me going into the public would make things easier.
A kilt is great if you are in Scotland. In the USA it is just another skirt. Most kilts in the USA are in fact worn by women.
More men just need to start wearing skirts & stop being swayed by the opinions of others. Be more like women in that regard. I read one woman’s comment on another site that stated sometimes it is just too hot to wear slacks. So where exactly does that leave us guys? Us real guys? No choices unless we get some courage to change the opinion of the misinformed masses. Sooner rather than later perhaps? Or we just do it like several of the guys on this site have done.
You make the decision!
Jo,
It is common back into the full history of the Male Names that can be considered abriviated as “Joe” and the female names abriviated as “Jo”.
When the female version of the male “Joe” names was constructed the “E” was dropped to seperate the Male from the Female.
As in mine name – the Female conterpart is Marky, Markie. SO when people call a male “Mark/C” Marky/ie it is an insult.
If you wish to find a Male?Female name conterpart I am sure searching the internet for “Naming Childeren” you will find a list of world used names and be able to “counterpart” them.
Now I am not saying the Joe information is gospel, due to many languages and cultures throughout the world there are names used in English as male but may be used in (eaxmple) Dutch as Female. Then the oposite is also possible.
I personally knew a family in The Netherlands that when the spoke of the younger sibling – whom I had not met – until the said “he” I thought they were talking of a younger sister. I do not recall the name but I do remem ber that in the U.S. this name was strictly Female.
I hope you find a common piece of ground and I do feel bad that due to the skirt issue that your name can cause so much trouble. However on the net with the varied languages, backgrounds and lack of photos in these areas it is best to configure a “international” discript seperation for clarity.
Dave, As Mark indicated, things have to be seen in their context, hence what might be common in e.g. the US, might be totally differentb elsewhere. In the example of Jo or Joe, if you would plpace iyt in a French context the “e” would imply a fiminime word.
In respect of what Mark indicated that names in the Netherlands might be used for a boy in stead of a girl of vice versa, Maria is a grand example if seen from the catholic point of view, than it is a unisex-name, same in other parts of Europe.
If I’m not mistaken, the most used name in the Netherlands at present is Mohammed…
“You make the decision!”
I do say I guess I need to say I did not really mean to present this thread post as a skirt wearing stopper for me. I do wear skirts daily however I am unemployed, disabled and limited in transportation. I wear my skirts everyday inside and outside. I do my yard work that way mostly but do only activities while skirted that prevents exposure. I have a skort for many activities that skirts disallow. Also shorts as well. I usually go pants or shorts on away missions but mostly carry a skirt along to change into for my return trips. When I go out where I mostly will not need to go into any place I will go skirted. I have gotten gas in a skirt, but I paid via a debit card.
Now along with the comments I mentioned I am almost daily – pointed at, remarked to and photographed in my yard by passerby’s. Several times people have turned around to get a “better” look. I usually wave and/or stand watching and waiting for them to get their jollies and leave. My next door neighbors have labeled me a pervert so I do try not to give them chances of having their fun – while they are out I usually just go around the other side of the house.
Not caring what they say or think is one thing but hearing it is difficult when you do not want conflict.
Mark, I got my skirts from Salvation Army, there was a Saturday deal, 5 pieces with a special colored tag for 5$. I found five pieces. Not necessary to have a lot of money for me. Maybe, you have Goodwill?
But never I’ll miss my skirts anymore.
Sorry, thinking faster than writing: I mean never I want to miss my skirts anymore and I’d miss it when wearing pants.
Thanx Mark.
By the way, the whole issue on usage of aliases is interresting as it shows that the prejudice concerning activities and labeling them is broader than solely the matter wheteher or not a man should be able to wear a skirt. But let’s get back to the issue on hand, bearing in mind what Bess wrote, people like Jung and Benit could be concidered as superb mass media users, as their ideas have become the common ground of judging each ohter. In addition there is a passage in the bible which forbids people to wear clothing of the other gender eventhough Adam and Eve were dressed uni-sex with figleaves. Hence the question rises why did the Bible include this fragment, the answer is that the bible was was also the codification canonic law and in order to prevent criminals etc. to escape by means of dressing up as a member of the other gender.
Bess could such be the origin of the expression crossdressing, dressing for the cross in order to forthcome punishment?
I guess we shan’t be able to retrieve the origin of the problem on hand, so lets get back to the daily activioties and share each others thoughts and experiences and assist where possible with providing support for thise who prefer crotchless garments.
Recently I purchades via the internet a skirt for men as was indicated – ankle length – studying the way the zipper is placed such could be considerd correct, as it is facing the same way as on trousers and if you have a closer look at skirts with front zipper as offered by internetstores like OTTO, Heine and Sears you will note that the front zipper is often placed for righthanded people. Aren’t these than not all skirts for men eventhough sold as womens garments?
Mark, would you by chance know whether you male neighbours would be wobbling along in the house or maybe in the garden with only a towel draped around their buttocks? Why not get a skirt made of towel cloth and confront them therewith. Stitched or not stitched that is the question…
Im male and my body is pear-shaped (low waist and wee bit wide hip – cos of my weight problems) but I dont mind my own body – it depend on your body and men can wear skirt as well no problems at all. when I put skirt on and look on mirror it look nicely (cant use men clothes cos of size problems which is too big for me) only I wear women clothes size that fit me prefect. At my work some women wear men clothes that still allow but that for men clothes! also short hair cut… so men should wear other way to wear at work to equal that would make easier.
jo or whatever: It is correct that actually crossdressing in modern understanding goes back to the bible. But the bible says clearly that man should not wear women clothes, it is in translation Latin to German (Martin Luther): Men should not wear the same clothes like women, that does not mean the style, it means (still until today) the original the same clothes what men or women used before. Very often it was misinterpreted
At the time when the bible was written it was a question about hygiene because in time of the female periods they were labled as “dirty”.
I did not think about dressing for the cross nor did I ment that.
I am on a fixed income. I wear dimem skirts and if other peopl don’t like it to bad. I don’t tell them what wear. Wear the kind of skirt/kilt you can afford..
Bess, interesting the origing of the bible quote. I ran across that item in my studies of amongst other things Roman Law where such was also indicated, for other reasons thus. Hence my thought of dressing for the cross and just wanted your opinion.
“Mark, would you by chance know whether you male neighbours would be wobbling along in the house or maybe in the garden with only a towel draped around their buttocks?”
No wouldn’t know that. Not really sure I want to either. They are just products of their family, locals, farmer bred.
I do have towel wraps, but not wearing them much any more since I started with regular skirts.
Bess; You are right, but after the bible translation came from M. Luther it was the written hebrew bible, translated in Latin, then German and English. You know for sure that each translation has some ad’s and loses.
Back to crossdressing. Cross dressing was a long time common but never it meant women’s clothes for men or the opposite way, that is a very new interpretation.
By the way, today I saw in the new edition of the “TIME” magazine that John F. Kennedy wore skirts too. And, going back in history, Quincy Adams was the first US president who wore pants for his inauguration.
So, we are not new in our ideas wearing skirts because of comfort and elegance (yes, a skirt brings up more elegance than a pair of pants).
Mark, are your neighbours of the type black stockings without seams?
I.r.o the remark concerning Quincy Adams, whilst inauguration he wore long trousers instead of breeches… hence the remark by Martinus implying that J.F K. would be following suit is not correct as far as I could check. But indeed in history skirt for men was normal, hence why should it be a problem now, especially as most of us are not using
means of tranpsort like horses, bicycles and such which require space between the legs.
The other night I drove back to the place where I reside at present including the walk from the car to the frontdoor, wearing my recent purchase, an ankle length skirt, black, sold as kilt/Goth skirt. I must say, it was the most comfortable ride I had in times, save the ride of the car which by itselves is more comfortable than the average car. I guess I’ll take along that purchase for future return trips. It might become an addiction…. better than bose and smokes. As the car does at least 30 miles to the gallon, the chance of have to get petrol dressed as described is slight.
Whatever, check TIME magazin, edition September 7, 2009, page 28-29 and you’ll see JFK with his two brothers Bob and Ted. He is wearing a skirt, jacket with tie.
I never wore a long skirt, I have no idea how does it feel, because I have to wear support stockings and I can’t wear it under pants, so I use skirts, a little bit over knee in lenght. Wearing a skirt is wonderful but a “must wearing support stockings” is a torture. I believe that normal pantyhose must be comfortable, but I have no idea.
Every person expresses its own personal style throughout its clothing, its language and its education. After the motto: “Knowledge is power, ability the super power”, actually an expression, says; each person makes that visible to everybody in their depth and development of the education in combination with its personal style. In case of wearing different style than the mass around means expression of education, show the own courage and open itself to other people vis-à-vis, to inspire others, let make the own creativity clear and open new ways of understanding and acceptance.
I do like cars and I want to bring in into a comparison with wearing a skirt as a male and driving an automobile. Wearing pants is like driving a deliver-van, wearing a pair of shorts is like driving a sedan, and wearing a skirt is like driving a convertible at sunny days.
Herby it is a good réflexion. If the man where not affraid of men wearing skirt, the skirt will have been already accepted. But somme menare affraid of men in skirt because in every human there is a litle bit less or more of the opposite sex.And somme time the men who yeld the arder is the one who dream of wearing a skirt but also a bra. The man who said nothing about men in skirt,he is a real men and he dit not have to yeld again men in skirt that juste does not affect him. but the men who are not sure about them self will yeld a lot. Like the litle boy in the wood when he is affraid.
A man (?) who wants to wear a bra or maybe even a tampon is extremely confused regarding his/her/its sexuality. Sort of like a woman who wants to wear a jock strap. A man who knows that he is a man should have no reason to wear a bra unless he is 150 pounds of blubber overweight. That is going far beyond fashion freedom for the normal man into the realm of the bizarre. Kinky. Just plain weird.
Some men will speak a lot again man in skirt.They will trye to lower the man in skirt as they can. They do that to trye to prove to ther self they are real man. If they are real man they will not be complining about man in skirt. They will just see and other way of getting dress.
Of course, la jupe, men always put others down, that is in their male nature. It is about strength and power. But I do not see the problem in that or in power, it is a very personal ssue, because men don’t like to be laughed at when wearing something different. Even the laughter is coming from teenagers, men often react badly. So, the easiest way is not to change anything and stay away.
Men are to be brought easily in embarrassment if it concerns clothing, that women also use. But the skirt, indeed is a male garment originally, but American women 1837 used it for a sign to gain equality and to force women’s emancipation. Nobody knows what’s coming up with the pants, because it turns more and more into a dominated female garment.
The only way for men is to find this dressing style he supposed to be in, and that is a skirt, because it fits the male body correctly, pants doesn’t,
Isn’t it all about equality of sexes as laid down in the universal decleration of human rights? Ant discrimination etc.? Using double standards?
There are now 659 skirted men be counted on
http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137440519051
Are you one of the counted?
Have been wearing kilts for 15 years. Confidence is key, it seems that if you have it nobody ever takes a second glance. Second is that you need to be cognesent of the world and how you look, a kilt is accepted fully as a mans garment; worn on the knee with proper hose and a suitable belt and it will always look good. Unfortunatly it is expensive and hot in summer. I would never wear a skirt in public, however I would love to if it becomes the norm!!!
That ok if you dont want wear skirt in public but try and take it easy – I wear black tights, blue denim mini skirt and any top to match plus flat black shoes and then went out for walk plus drive to petrol that seem went well – people dont care but some were looking at me but ingored it, mostly ingored as it keep going on. At first time i was wee bit nervous but later I feel much relax so try and see if it goes well (ingore the younger people if it laugh at you – I already ingored them). People need read it any site and understand what it all about it
Men in skirts won’t become common place unless men begin to wear skirts on a daily basis. I retained three pairs of pants when I made the change many years ago but have about 100 skirts/dresses that are the norm unless I need to renail a shingle on a roof or crawl under an automobile.
Kilts in America are just a costume. I have been known to ask a guy in a kilt if I could help him find his lost bagpipe or help him back to the parade route. In my opinion the kilt in America is grossly overpriced, uncomfortable when compared to a typical skirt & simply looks unusual (weird). That commando stuff in a kilt will most likely get you on the registered sex offender list in most states. Then try getting a job. You will have to register with the local police department. Where you live will be posted on the Internet. You can’t live close to a public school or other location frequented by young children. Forget the kilt crap!
Get a denim skirt for a starter. Just above the knee. Pleated or not as long as it isn’t a windy day. Leggings are just pants Pants. Yuk. Shave the legs. Hair shouldn’t be the only evidence of male hormones. Ever seen a hairy woman? Of course you have. Smooth is comfortable. Tan in summer is good. Pockets like with a demin cargo skirt. Long skirts are great for those frigid winter days; however, they do restrict your movement. Go no shorter than mid-thigh, about the length of short pants or “shorts”. Don’t buy cheap underwear.
Comfort. Amen, brother (and sister too). Get your skirt on. Get out there. Make it the norm.
I live in the UK not in USA, are you live in the State, Dave? I wear skirt what Ive mentioned and cops car passed me and didnt care that already many time as it normal that why I have to careful what Im wearing. I used 14″ denim mini skirt that ok and I usual shaving my legs first that make yer legs very smooth when tights on and then denim skirt.
The male uniform of a beer company becomes the kilt
Tuesday, 01 September 2009 19:36
In Germany, a brewery chose the kilt as a uniform for its male staff.
Very hot summer, cold beer and the driver of beer comes in plaid skirt: The brewery Welde of Schwetzinger introduced the kilt as a uniform and drivers are involved with pleasure.
It is originally an idea of beer deliveryman. He proposed it to other employees, and the youngers persuaded the olders. This does not concern only production but also the offices. Moreover, there is no constraint, it does not come from above, so no reverse discrimination, and especially the argument that prevailed was the heat of summer, in a cab truck without air-conditioned. In the film we see the driver Robert Clark wearing a kilt and the operator wearing trousers.
http://men.jupe-skirt.info/news/122-luniforme-masculin-dune-societe-de-biere-devient-le-kilt.html
One step ahead, comapny unifom:In Germany, a brewery chose the kilt as a uniform for its male staff.
Very hot summer, cold beer and the driver of beer comes in plaid skirt: The brewery Welde of Schwetzinger introduced the kilt as a uniform and drivers are involved with pleasure.
It is originally an idea of beer deliveryman. He proposed it to other employees, and the youngers persuaded the olders. This does not concern only production but also the offices. Moreover, there is no constraint, it does not come from above, so no reverse discrimination, and especially the argument that prevailed was the heat of summer, in a cab truck without air-conditioned. In the film we see the driver Robert Clark wearing a kilt and the operator wearing trousers.
http://men.jupe-skirt.info/news/122-luniforme-masculin-dune-societe-de-biere-devient-le-kilt.html
that cool video clip in Germany and yes it help to cool down and look good with kilt as uniform – better mixed to choose with kilt or skirt that would be good idea. When I drove in long drive and I wear lighter sheer tights and denim mini skirt in very hot weather (drove for about 510 miles with 2 or 3 stop) that help me to cool down. I would say it much important for men to wear skirt for any reason.
Mens skirts on AU Project Runway -
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/designer-anthony-capon-wants-men-to-wear-skirts/story-e6frf7l6-1225771267950
Dave, I do wear skirts on a dily basis, I do it in public and workplace. I always could hear that men saying “oh nice, looks comfortable, etc.” but no other man tried to go in skirts too. But I am stubborn – I do just wear it. Okay, I do not have so many different skirts like you, but I think I make already a difference to the uniformized pants-wearer.
This is a great debate! It’s not the style it’s the arrogance and the stigma that feed the “phobic’s”. With a thread full of pro’s in terms of medical advice and negatives that suggest only good looking men would get away with it I fear the whole issue means there is a need to equalize (not masculinise) the skirt/dress argument in the way trousers (pants) have been accepted into the feminine wardrobe.
The best way forward (IMHO)would be to design a range of garments from a number of fashion houses whilst simultaneously getting “buy-in” from major male “faces”. Not just your TV/Movie types but those in other industries that would regularly were them. This would have to be counter balanced by an equally supportive feminine stance, due to prejudice coming from both sides. Finally, and equally as crucially, a “mass conditioning” campaign to say to the arrogant and uninitiated “ITS OK TO DO THIS!!! – Its happening in cultures all over the world right now – your are the ones being left out – there are bigger problems than this…MOVE ON…GET OVER IT!!!”
To the shallow minded it might not be a bad idea to start to feed into society the statements, that whilst every man may not look as good as the guy in the top shot, not every woman looks hot in trouser (pants)!
Yes it would be wonder full to wear a dress and not have to worry about mindless abuse!
Regards
M
Not much to add. Exactly, those are the points. We have to stop bullying and as said mindless abuse. That goes in a one way direction with more men wearing skirts and dresses.
well, isn’t that a beautifull task for Cyntia Nellis whom’s blog/forum this is?
@whatever; Yes, you are right, C. Nellis opend a discussion and when keep reading you’ll find out, that most post talking about that men should (or can) wear skirts and dresses. Which is okay!. But I do not see any men around me wearing a skirt, it looks always that I am the only one.
A lot of men do not know the freedom of clothes, the air-breeze between legs because they are afraid that somebody could judge them. I got my freedom like P. Henry said: “Give me freedom or give me dead”,,,,, well I chose freedom.
Really, who want to stop you when you’ll like to dress comfortable, healthy for your body but just different to others? Where is our American spirit to do so?
martinus: I live in southern California. I wear old glory and deium skirts allday and everyday.I have no problem when I am out & about. I hav not seen anyother skirt wears, but that is not going me. I hope to meet more people like me who enjoy the comfort of skirts.
martinus:I live in southern California. I am a skirt wearer. I have not seen anyone elis in my area that wears skirts.I wear skirts full time now. My wife likes me in a skirt. All I had is positve feed back from other people. Yes more men and women need to wear skirts. The one that do should keep wearing them. Keep On Skirting
I was wearing black tights, white t-shirt and denim mini skirt with black suede calf boots and took my dad to dentist (18 miles away) and seem it went ok. it nice day and very warm that why I need cooler and lighter clothes, that ok for me to wear as you can see women wearing trousers, jean trousers so men can wear skirt as “swap clothes” like 50/50
Colorado here. After awhile you get a closet of everything from long flannel dresses to mid-thigh miniskirts so that all weather conditions are covered by choices on hangers. Can’t share with my spouse since she is strictly into pants whereas I am strictly into skirts or dresses. Yes, my wife likes it that way. Also I will confirm that I heard several women complain about the heat last summer while wearing trousers. I mentioned to one that the temperature wasn’t too hot for me since I was wearing a rather short skirt of a light weight fabric. Common sense. Those tall boots are great when it is really cold. With a miniskirt. No. Try sandals with that short skirt. Common sense. Comfort. Skirts are here now. If us guys don’t buy them they may vanish within the next five to ten years. Think about it. Women strongly prefer pants. I have no problem buying skirts or dresses. Why should any other man? Frozen in the ancient past? This is a new century. Times change!
Thankse for responding. Yes, I know there are some – including you two- which are going with skirts because you know that is the most comfortable garment for men.
It is almost useless try to find reasons why men don’t want wear skirts – probably they are just afraid, it is more important to tell them how successful men in skirts are. It is indeed another world, feeling free around legs – my longest skirt is 20 inches = knee-lentgh, so I feel really the air at the legs and lower body.
When fashion needs goes with health needs, it is okay, that would go for skirts on men.
But I do not see that men following this line.
My own experiences: I never had bad comments, but tons of compliments, wherever I was. And that counts. John and Dave, thanks again and thank you for all supporters. I think, time is changing as you mentioned.
Men should be able to wear skirts. What were they wearing not so long ago before pants. Also, men were the dress up persons, wore makeup and displayed wigs. Why not skirts too. As long as they are correct for the gender then why not ?? !!
also men do have “pear-shape” like women body shape that depend in body system to make size – my body is pear shaped (waist is 25.5″ and hip is 34.5″) that how it still same for years – i was suffered from weight loss 9 years ago and thought it would change back to normal but it still same and found that I cant wear men clothes so I have to wear women clothes to make prefect size included skirt, jumper dress that make me look nicely – ive seen women wear men clothes and shoes at work plus anywhere else so yes it best for men to wear other way also it would save money when go into high st shop instead of men and women each dept – I would think it better to put both into one big dept clothes room to make easier and save a big pocket money to pay house bill — dont you think??
I also have some jumper dress (mini) with hooded – look nice with tights and boots (I have some good boots and flat shoes) that seem nice and very lighter. Men can wear skirt, dress or anything that normal clothes as it feel so good as comfortable.
Yes, I think everybody cn wear skirt and dress. When I was tired to wear all the time my pants to work, some weeks ago I decided to go in a skirt. I talked to my boss and she said: “You can wear what you want, you must looking proper and confident with it”. I did! Wearing a skirt short above knee with mantyhose and shirt with tie. I have not to tell that everybody likes it, since that time I wore just skirts. Some days ago I wore a pair of pants with the reaction that I was asked if I am not feeling good today.
Today my boss called me in and told me that I surly changed the spirit of the company “it is like every day new”. Thank you, Boss, and thank you skirt!
have look at this..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8272962.stm
the other day whilst driving to my destination my ey caught something which had not triggered something in the past.
An elderly couple dressed similar, thus same jeans and same sports jacket and shoes in the same colour.
Isn’t such an action an invitation for broader unisex dressing?
Just an ad found by clicking Latest fashion below:
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Whatever – would like to see that skirt, got a link?
According to “Nancy Friday” ; 10% of men wear skirts behind closed doors …
I have been wearing skirts in public on a regular basis , and , it seems like I’m the only one in my neighbourhood that shows up !!!
Just like “Barry” , my skirts are casual , in a subdued tone, neutral colors, nothing flamboyant … I wear a short beard , and I go about in a manly fashion !!!
Skirts offer a degree of comfort and freedom unknown to men !!!
“Margaret Mead” says that ; men who wear skirts , do it , to distinguish themselves from other men … In other words : they like beeing “original” !!!
Whenever I put on a skirt , I feel the need to show myself in public !!! Because , I’m a non-conformist , and I like to break stereotypes !!!
So , you think you’ve got balls ???
Show yourself in public , wearing a skirt !!!
MickMack from Montreal
Question -
Skirt wearing male, crossdresser or not?
Mark, I am wearing skirts and kilts in public, also at work (school), but no crossdressing at all. I have to wear support stockings since 27 years. Under pants no way, tissue extends because of warming up, and blood-circulation goes down to “0″. No other way than wearing skirts. As MickMack from Montreal says, neutral, causal.
Mark:
http://www.fashion.about.com/od/latesttrends/tp/longerskirts.htm or hereunder under by catagory, latest fashion trends etc.
also an interesting one
cgi.ebay.de/echt-leder-herren-rock-kilt
crossdress according to the concise Oxford dictionary: wear clothing typical of the opposite sex.
If something is describes as a menskirt or herrenrock which is the same than one can’t say it is crossdressing. In addition thereto if women may wear what is considered by the blessed ignorants men’s clothing without comment, why not vice versa. Isn’t that a double standard?
Men wear skirt is no xdress – it normal clothes you can see women wear trousers — at my work when I go for newspaper and 2 women walked front of me, one wear skirt and one wear trouser (very smart) and same colour, type but look at this — one skirt and other wear trousers so men can do the same as well. It still not word as xdress as people still think it is but it all wrong, it should mixed as equal – Ive wear skirt in public seem ok also cops car passing many time but nothing happen – just checking, they look for idiot drunk only.
As we can see, the topic is not anymore interesting to most of the people. Especially after comments which gave a clear direction and good arguments. It is also clear, that the skirt (kilt included) is a unisex garment, and it is only in hand of men to work that out. Adopting as a every day wardrobe or not, waering just at home is like hiding to me, so I am wearing it in public. And I found numerous supporters and even more admires.
I wish I could talk to some other skirted men in the area I live about their experiences. My experiences throughout were very postive – excluding one complain from a lady which was saying that she would like to have such nice legs like mine.
I for one am a skirt wearer. Alot of men and women have no problum of me in a skirt. I think all men should try a skirt on for a week. They just might like it. To many men are chicken. But more should try. As for this topic, I hope it keeps going. As I check it daily. Along with 5 other sites. Let us all keep on Skirting
I can’t go with the original question. Who want to judge it what is weird or wonderful because weird could be wonderful and opposite often wonderful is weird.
Or the question is going to address what the public think about a new way of dressing for men? That can’t be answerd because nobody see’s it, nobody knows how does it look in different styles, nobody knows nothing. And then judge it – not possible and inhuman.
For sure that skirts on men could be a new way of dressing, but men mostly are not trying it because expressing out of the crowd could be difficult. All people are born as a unique creation of God, but short after birth pressed in a tiny cage just following unwritten laws or imagination of society, following a narrowed path of rules and regulations. But how about using creation, innovation – in other words, using the right side of humans brain too?
If more eople would do it, never a question like above would be popping up – and men and women could follow a wonderful way to dress they like, expressing their wonderful taste and feeling comfortable in their wardrobe. Much less stress would be the result, and more healthier people are around you – what a thought.
Weird or wonderful? Wrong question! Healthy or ill, thats right. Do you know the mechanism, that keeps the right temperature for male genitalia? It is simply, just a pair of muscles can change the distance between testicles and body, if testicles are overheated the distance increases. In trousers that mechanism doesn’t work, testicles are kept forced to the body and are overheated all the time (even in freezy winter). Right temperature for male genitalia is about 1 or 2 degrees lower than normal body’s conditions. Overheating in longer terms causes infertility, impotence and testicular cancer. But that’s no all, also causes hormonal instability. Urgent testosterone level changes (especially in plus) damages a prostate! Thats the mechanizm, Mara is looking for.
Thanks Strikemaster that makes it clear. Skirts are not to feel comfortable, it also improves health for men.
Hopefully a lot of people will read your explanation/ statment and wake up. It would help a lot of men to get over any fears wearing skirts.
Yes wear trousers that something like testicles crushing – by wear skirt it make much comfortable also need plenty of air flow through the body and it much important for men health that need protect.
When Im at work at University and noticed female students wearing jean trousers mostly and few wear skirt (include black tights) and male students only wear jeans — seem it not right as it need to mixed it that would be nice change in fashion dont you think?? Anyway I have lots of denim mini skirt included black tights cos it look nice and very comfortable.
Lucky,
how are you going to stand out in the crowd when wearing the same as the girls?
Sorry, I’m not ‘Lucky’ but I’m a daily skirt wearer at an Academy for girls as a teacher.
My experience is easy to tell: They like it because they feel that they are more accepted when they have to wear their skirts. And plenty of compliments every day. In past when I wore pants nobody took notice, yes, once a year they noticed another tie. That’s it.
Mara, You welcome.
There is strong asymmetry between males and females in our culture. Women are allowed to wear whatever they want, we are closed to the trousers (I hope, this topic is a sign that situation is changing now).
I wrote about the health consequences of wearing trousers by men, these are serious. Prostate cancer cases number still incerases in western countries. Also skirts are much more comfortable than trousers. Thus I hope this topic is a sign that something in changing now.
Skirts&kilts4men!
That’s it! “Women are allowed to wear…” is a simple excuse. My wife does not have a license from Jesus Christ that allows her to wear whatsoever she chooses. She doesn’t need a license nor do I. She wears the pants in the family; however, she will quickly admit that being married to a retired military officer doesn’t mean that she is totally in charge even though she does indeed wear those pants. A trained war-time killer in a miniskirt shouldn’t be taken as a wimp.
The summary is that you shouldn’t judge anyone by what they are wearing.
Hey Dave, or hello colleague (in case of military);
I left Army as Lt.Col. and wearing skirt – because I have to, after an accident with my legs which now requieres wearing support hose all the time. No way under pants because the tissue expands during heat and would make all worse (and very dangerous). So I came to skirts, but not really mini skirts, shortest skirts has 18 inches.
My wife wears what she want, like I do, and she bought most skirts and kilts for me I own.
Dave, Martinus -
Hello – Medically Discharged SSG here!
Wasn’t into skirts at the time, but am now.
Wife loves it – kids tolerate it – everyone else hates it.
Being on disability and no work keeps me at home.
I think if I could afford an everyday kilt I might go places in it, but can’t say for sure. Have too many other place to send what money I do get.
Mark; Yes never you be sure what others are thinking. I am sure that a lot of people will hate me in my skirts/kilts, but they do not tell me that.
I believe that they hate me because they looking at me in this outfit, ignoring all others in traditional stereotyped pants uniform.
Some of my kilts/skirts I got at Goodwill – very good and cheap.
martinus
I have more skirts then a person should have really. Just can’t get a real kilt the cheap way.
Besides the social factor is my biggest herdle.
A real kilt is still a skirt. A kilt is basically an ethnic costume of Scotland, therefore, in the USA it is just another skirt. I always wonder why anyone would pay $$$$$ for a plaid skirt with pleats. Seems totally insane to me. You make the social factor as it is only what you want it to be. I have never experienced such a restriction. FYI – I can not even begin to imagine having too many skirts. Micro, mini, knee-length, calf-length, ankle length, with each of those in a-line, pleated, straight, then with pockets or not, in lightweight to heavier fabric weight, not to forget colors to match your tops, etc. Just thinking about it makes me want another nap!
Sure Dave, a kilt is still a skirt, but that isn’t the reason that I have some. The reason to buy one was that some told me that kind of skirt has a special feeling when wearing. Of course, it did, after buying one my wallet was not so haevy anymore. Well, my feeling was that this skirt is real wool[ish] and requires a underkilt because of my support-hose. But this underkilt makes it warmer, maybe fine during wintertime, but I don’t like it.
I am using more ’simple’ skirts now.
I believe all men should wear skirts. Mothers should begin dressing their sons in skirts at around 5 yrs. of age. This will become more normal and gain acceptance over time. The skirts can be plain or with more masculine design (utilikilts) or plaid pleated skirts. The tops could be regular boys shirts, but should be coordinated. I own 13 skirts, both pleated and plain. My favorite is my scooter skirt with built-in loose shorts. The shorts are made of a light nylon and are extremely comfortable. So yes guys do youselves a favor, FORGET THE PANTS, WEAR A SKIRTS AND ENJOY.
This brings to mind a couple of observations. From an early age girls today are being clothed in pants. I’ve even heard of one high school girl who was disciplined by her parents for borrowing a skirt from a friend to wear to school. Many young people seem to think that only a whore would wear a skirt.
The other observation is that inexpensive skirts & dresses are becoming a thing of the past. Many of my skirts were purchased for under five dollars. Retailers are marketing pants to everyone of every age regardless of gender, drying up the super low clearance prices on skirts & dresses. I have two closets full as I saw this trend in the making about a decade ago.
My thought is that unless men start buying, the dress & skirt market will continue to shrink & perhaps even disappear at some point in time.
Dave, you might be right. I also noticed that the offer for women’s skirts is smaller today than a decade ago. For that you’ll find a huge selection of women’s pants, all very different in style, color, fabric and pattern.
I bought my skirts at different places, mostly women’s departments, and some years ago when Nordstrom offered men’s skirt I bought one pleated skirt for men there. I still use it, all other skirts, kilt style, I bougth at Sportkilts, an American company. But compare to your skirts I never got one for $ 5 or under.
@robert: You are right, but a lot of men don’t want to follow – afraid to start something new.
Dave: I buy Old Glory skirts in deuim and cortroy from WalMart. THe look good and I find them on sale for as lowas $3.00 each. I also find my self looking at yard sales. My wife likes me in cordaroy better than demium. I am doing more shopping around. Get ouy and look. You will find styles that you will like .
2dave 232: I do recall when visisting highschool in the early 70’s girls were not allowed to enter school whilst wearing trousers. During winter it was allowed but once in school they had to change to skirt. During the winter of 71/72 the mandatory changing was dropped for the rest of the academic year….
No hassle, no protests by the boys, nothing
At that school I’m teaching it is allowed (girls-school only)to enter the school in pants but then girls have to change into a school-uniform skirt. On “free-dress-days” girls never came in pants in the recently. Then I am the only skirt-wearer.
Who wears a skirt better – or opposite: Who wears a suit better? An interesting poll: http://blogs.fashionweekdaily.com/?cat=20
It looks like men already lost the battle around pants and suits – what to wear now?
Add to that a woman can even get paid for not wearing anything in a strip bar. When will men finally realize that skirts, dresses, shorts & pants are readily worn by women everywhere? It is indeed rare that a man such as me will realize that pants are not an exclusively male garment. Considering the percentage of women wearing pants it seems that if a man really wants to dress like a woman he would choose to wear pants. Take yesterday. Ran errands. Out & about. I was the only person of either gender wearing a dress. Given that you would have thought that a dress was a male garment choice? Traditional male clothing is boring as well as being rather restrictive & uncomfortable. Bruised body parts are not the way to be macho.
I agree, men’s wardrobe is boring, and Dave you are right that most men do not recognize that pants are NOT a male garment anymore.
I am going with skirts, and I don’t have any problems wherever I go with it. Sometimes a nice smiling from women, recently a “cool” from a man, that’s all.
I only can encourgage all men to try wearing a skirt, and they will consider to change… I am pretty sure. But they have to try it, that is the first and important step.
And the result so far?
We got the whole man/women, trousers/skirt thing the wrong way around – trousers being anatomically correct for women, and anatomically incorrect for men.
Am I right?
What could be the reason that men still wearing “their” pants which are also our pants now – but men still not calling skirts “their” skirts?
Phyllis, skirt is an attitude! while pants are platitude – they are just a garment – especially those for men. Women pants are much more different, stylish, adapted to the body-shape.
To your question why men do not call “their” skirts – the same reason that men cannot call “their” pants anymore, and most don’t care, anyway.
Phyllis, You’re partial right.
In some cases trousers aren’t correct for any sex, it depends of some enviromental factors (temperature, daily routine for example), but in fact, trousers are worse for men than for women.
Phyllis said:
“What could be the reason that men still wearing “their” pants which are also our pants now – but men still not calling skirts “their” skirts?”
IMO men don’t know the comfort of a skirt, medical consequences of wearing trousers in long terms. Many are prejudiced, so call a skirt feminine. They think that if women wear skirts these aren’t allowed for men, but don’t recognize that women wear trousers more ferquently than trousers. It’s strange but true. Some women look and behave masculine at our times so men are trying to be more manly than women. It causes that men aren’t interested in their health and comfort (true macho must suffer with smile on his face).
Strikemaster, it isn’t the masculine behave of women in recent time it is the kind of clothes which allows more flexibility, i.e. pants. When men wearing skirts or any non-pants clothes and they sitting down have a typical ‘feminie’ behave.
What I try to say is that men do not have a so called “own” – typically masculine kind of wardrobe, even not an own style.
That means it is time to change, and take over an own style in skirts or dresses. The possibility to have that with pants are completely gone and away. Check that website and scroll down to the 4th article:
http://blogs.fashionweekdaily.com/?cat=20
Enjoy it.
It is well accepted that skirts & dresses are much less restrictive than pants. What about those constricting neckties? The necktie is very restrictive. Women have not only enjoyed the comfort of skirts & dresses in the past but also the comfort of not wearing restrictive neck ware. So if women wish to wear trouser suits with neckties, then bless them. I’m happy with my comfortable skirt suits with an open neck. More power to women for breaking the gender-based clothing stereotypes.
Perhaps a final gender stereotype? Will women go topless at American beaches as most men presently do? When will women take on that issue? Pants are a start; however, the war on gender-based discrimination is not yet successfully won. European women do seem less inhibited at the beach. Thoughts on equal rights for all?
It’s hight time for men to wear skirts or at least kilts (or something like that). Women have had the ability to wear pants and skirts for a long time an no one thinks that’s bad anymore. We need to push for men to have fashion freedom too!
I love the look of a knee-length skirt on a fit man. Very sexy.
I think a little bit of gender bending by teen boys is good to.
SKIRTS FOR MEN! Lets do it!
Phyllis said:
“Strikemaster, it isn’t the masculine behave of women in recent time it is the kind of clothes which allows more flexibility, i.e. pants. ”
Maybe but not at all, women were a second-class citizens in the past in Europe and Americas, so started to fight for their rights and one of that was right to wear trousers allowed them to take masculine jobs.
Phyllis said:
“When men wearing skirts or any non-pants clothes and they sitting down have a typical ‘feminie’ behave.”
It depends of the type of skirt.
I agree that there are some restrictions during sitting in short, tight skirts, but I didn’t notice any “feminine” behavior when I’m sitting in a kilt. Kilt have two aprons in front and proper lenght that allows me to sit “manly”.
Phyllis said:
“That means it is time to change, and take over an own style in skirts or dresses.”
That is in proceed. An utility kilts, traditional kilts, modern kilts, skirts offered by H&M, pareos, sarongs, lava-lavas, long black leather skirts for Goths etc. are the styles of skirts available for men already.
@Strikemaster;
I believe after the so called “second class citizen” story (this name came by the way from men) time women just want to be more independent, and as you know that the first major movement was 1848 with the Seneca Falls Women’s Convention – iniciated from men. In kind of clothes it was to get rid of corsets because of the health of women (i.e. corsets). The style with shorter skirts and pants under allowed more flexibility. Short after this time men complained about their clothes, just using pants while women could wear skirts (1879).
Sitting down mentioned as feminine behavior means keeping the skirt on place at that time because mostly women did not wear panties with long skirts. Today it is a sign that the skirt gives more movement when it is around the legs -and it has not ironed so often-.
Yes, I saw read some comments, and it is a clear demand. When some companies selling men’s skirt -by the way, I don’t know the difference, a skirt is a skirt including kilts- that might be a step forward. On the other hand I must say I’m just missing some encouraged men who are going in skirts – I read a lot of comments that men want to go skirted – but seeing a man in a skirt is rare.
I like to go with Eliza, but don’t want to restrict length of skirts depends on how the legs are looking like -.
I agree, kilt is just a type of skirt, but not ordinary, kilt is widely recognized as a man’s skirt. It changes social attitude to this garment even in country, where there are no Scottich peolpe. Thus a kilt is the easiest way to bring men a freedom and health of a skirt. Some men are restricting themselves that they aren’t allowed to wear a kilt because aren’t Scots, it’s not true.
, but it means that kilts are just pleated skirts for men, not only for Scots, for all men who want to feel fresh and comfy and not enough encouraged (or live in conservative social enviroment) to wear a skirt in public.
First, there are tartans for nan-Scots (all States, Canadian provinces, and many European countries, larger companies and military units have their own tartans).
Second, the “holy clan’s tartans tradition” was established by Wilson in 1772 only for gain. There were no clan’s tartans before, so I can wear even clan tartan if I like it, especially outside Scotland.
Third, similar garments were in use in many cultures since begining of known history. There are some evidence that people in Caucasian Mountains wore similar pleated, knee-lenght tartan skirts about 4000BC, Ghauls wore not pleated minikilts in Ancient times, first kilted (knee-lenght and pleated) in Europe were propably Vikings. Kilts appeared in Scotland in 17th century, millenias after were invented.
Fourth, the weight and discomfort of a kilt is a lie. Kilt may be made of lighter, non-woolish fabric and then is very comfortable.
Fifth, there are many modern versions of a kilt, made of whatever You want, without tartan patterns for example.
I know that some inhabitants of Northern UK may want to kill me after reading my post
I’ve red many comments about the men’s skirts too. I agree, there’s demand, but not as strong as ought to be, and mainly virtual. I think there must be stronger advertising to show men they have choice already.
Main proplem is that men simply don’t know they can wear a skirt instead trousers.
I wouldn’t even consider wearing one of those grossly overpriced so called men’s skirt. I have absolutely no desire to look like a dork playing a bagpipe. If the choice were limited to kilts or pants I would definitely wear pants just like most women do. Most men couldn’t care less about all of that tartan crap anyhow. I have seen more women in the USA wearing a traditional kilt than men so all of that talk about kilts being just for men is certainly rubbish. Thank God men don’t have to wear kilts. We won our independence in the Revolutionary War and again with the War of 1812.
Please keep your kilts in Europe where they belong.
Just a note to show the seperations in male skirts vs. female skirts -
Look at traditional kilt sales web sites. Note that there are more types of kilts in the womens sections then in the mens.
Do you notice that appearently a man can not wear a full lenth kilt? They are made ONLY for women and do not over lap the proper way for male use.
So even with kilts the male styles are limited as well.
Dave, why are You so prejudiced?
You haven’t reat the whole text I guess? I said kilts are for men who aren’t encouraged enough or live in conservative social enviroment, not for You anyhow. Also there are many modern kilt styles available. Are the kilts overpriced? AFAIK cost the same as trousers, I saw kilts for $21 for example.
Mark, I noticed, but women in kilt is rather uncommon view. Women wear tartan skirts. There are some reasons why I wear kilts, not skirts. In the place where I live kilt is the only one style of skirt I can wear in public. Society is homophobic there, attacks against minotities are common, so wearing different-styled skirt is almost a suicide. Also I like kilts, IMO these are more comfortable than ordinary skirts (if made of light non-woolish fabric of course).
There are skirts for men in new H&M spring 2010 collection, I hope these will sell good, but aren’t in stock in my country, are simply hard to sell in conservative societies, available only in coutries where people are more open-minded.
Prejudiced? I don’t think so. I just know stupid looking when I see it. This whole kilt thing would compare to women who could only wear pink pants since all other types of pants would be reserved as mens wear. Pants are pants, whether or not you call them by any other name. The same goes for hypocrites who think that a kilt isn’t a skirt. Get over it! Either you wear skirts or you don’t. Pleats. Pockets. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. I’m sure that a few Bible-thumping Republicans have heartburn over my clothing choices. They probably think that I’m bound straight into the eternal burning fires of hell. I plan to wear whatsoever I please. If you don’t like that you can always go **** yourself in my opinion.
It no matters for me what do You wear, but don’t cry You have no followers. It’s fact that if You wear clothes sold for women, You’re recognized as transvestite or homosexual in public opinion. Nobody wants to be taken as a gay if he isn’t. Kilts are known as a men’s skirts, sarongs in some regions too, You’re right there are to many restrictions connected to men’s wardrobe, but it’s fact. Have You done something to change that situation (except wearing a skirt in public, it changes public opinion very slowly and have local range)? I read some discussions about kilts and men in skirts on American forums and I met them many people thinking that guy in a kilt is a transvestite, why didn’t You just enter those places to tell them they’re wrong? What are You waiting for and why are You wasting time fighting with me?
Hey guys, it is not the place and time to fight about a skirt which could be a kilt or not. See you in a skirted kilt or kilted skirt would make many people, mostly men, happy because most men do not know that there are other choice to wear instead of pants.
Blind or narrow minded is not the question, the change is it.
To calm down again, just check this website and read the comments to each of the pictures, too:
http://lbosquejo.blogspot.com/2009/03/men-in-skirts.html
Maybe you are closer to your goal than you thought.
Strange. Dave has never been recognized as a transvestite or as being gay although he wears nothing but “women’s” skirts. Maybe it is that wife of his who looks extremely female even though she always wears pants. The biological mother of two children. Gays & transvestites probably don’t marry real biological women. Maybe you didn’t know that?
Yes, in your mind kilts are men’s skirts. Good for you. I don’t see anything good coming from having kilts being associated with men. They are expensive, heavy, uncomfortable and make the wearer look like a clown marching in a circus parade. Like I said, a skirt is a skirt. Perhaps men in Scotland do wear kilts. In the USA it is the women who wear anything tartan. Having said that I seriously doubt that you could pay me enough money to look like a nutcase in a parade with a bagpipe. Most people look upon guys in kilts as perverts who don’t have the decency to wear appropriate undergarments. Fortunately most will hopefully become registered sex offenders in the near future. Not in my neighborhood.
Dave, I give up. Have a good fun in your “democratic” USA. I prefer Europe.
The kilty trend is catching on in European countries like Italy, Germany and Sweden now and luckily we have no stupid regulations.
Bess, I hope You’re right, some of this otfits are to strange to be worn on the streets, but some looks good and maybe this trend will catch on. Unfortunately these skirts aren’t in stock except the black pleated ones in some countries in H&M.
Skirts are wonderful and a great alternative to wearing only pants. I love wearing kilts as well as skirts, denim, cotton, rayon, whatever and in patterns, gores, circle, pleated or whatever style. Great feedom for men.
Dave says “Most people look upon guys in kilts as perverts who don’t have the decency to wear appropriate undergarments . Fortunately most will hopefully become registered sex offenders in the near future.”
-Who is the victim here ???
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Thank U for showing us , that your vocabulary level is equal to your intellectual level !!!
There are many companies selling skirts and kilts for men, watch the Midas Clothing (utitility kilts and simple skirts), Utilikilts (utility kilts), Macabi Skirts (unisex skirts), J’Dez (simple skirts, kilts and sarongs), AMOK by Sandra Kuratle (long skirts), Aderlass (gothic skirts and cotton kilts), Cargo Man Skirt, Utility Skirt form Sweden (utility kilts), Rockmode and many more. Problem is that they are rather small companies and have no enough power for wide promotion of their products and an idea of skirts for men as well. There are some articles about men’s skirts like this, but are visited only by interested in ones, so I suggest that we should enter the main forums about society, fashion and show people that skirt is healthier and more comfortable for men than trousers are.
Men have been borrowing from WOMEN because women WERE ALWAYS THE SOWERS IN THE HOMES, women sowed all men’s clothing.
so they been living off our making’s.
And stop complaining about “acceptance” at least your not being chased down by cops, or beheaded for wearing a skirt, you aren’t experiencing half the things women had to go through.
You complain that women clothing has more designs, because obviously women know how to work with what we have. =p I even sow my own clothes and can think of a million ways to make a new dress and skirt, lots of designs and accessories to add.
but, you can EASILY put lots of designs on your suits
put some strips,polka dots, wear top hats like men used too, have some yellow,red, and orange jackets and under shirts, hell, put some rubber duckies on that shiit.
listen you girly men, it was written in the bible hundreds of thousands of years ago BY MEN, that pants are for men and dresses are for women,(don’t even have to be a believer in the bible, was still written by men, because they wanted it that way) a skirt is a dress not connected to a top. Men MADE the rules that women should wear dresses and men wear pants. CAUSE MEN WANTED IT THAT WAY, men have been trying to separate themselfs from women for a long time in style, they wore tights because it shows of their masculine parts,and just like male animals in the wild,male humans love showing off. soon pants were made, they loved wearing it, it made them feel more masculine,they never had to worry about exposing their selves, and therefore the rules were made.
Men never wore such skirts like todays skirts, besides in Scotland where men who wore skirt-like clothing were pipebag players and wore kilts. men wore ROPES not dresses and skirts, they did not wear JEAN skirts nor puffy skirts, they made sure their clothes look different from women; and to those saying its better for a man’s health o.o
If its so bad, then men must be dropping dead like crazy for years, and their must be barley anymore on earth.Lol. (don’t worry, there’s plenty) only thing is their testicles should be a bit away from the rest of their body, which the testicles do this on their own unless he wears tight clothing, wearing a skirt and boxers will still cause heat, and if he wears tighty whities then that will push his testicles closer to his body, which is bad, remember? so in general best clothes for him to wear is baggy cotton pants and boxers, cotton lets the air go right through it, so no reason to wear a skirt, because a skirt still blocks, and wind does NOT blow UP. i wear skirts and dresses all the time, I know.
Skirts and dresses look and feel feminine, they hug the feminine shape and flatter our curves, the roundness of my hips makes skirts and dresses look beautiful on me, my bf LOVES IT and tells me that all the time. and hes manly, he’d never wear a skirt, or dress, simply because he loves his masculinity, and we both don’t want him shaving his man hair, and folding his legs like a lady. I’m very feminine girl, so i love me a masculine man to compliment my femininity, hes not “scared” like you people are trying so hard to brain wash people into believing “if men don’t do it, they must be scared” No. we’ve talked about it, me and him are okay with men doing whatever they want, as long as they do it right (meaning fold their legs like a woman has to, be modest!) and don’t shove it in our face, don’t say men SHOULD wear a skirt, but you people do, and are being as bad as anyone saying a man shouldn’t wear a skirt, you’re being closed minded, to closed minded to even disagree. My bf just embraces his masculinity, hes not gonna go through the trouble of shaving to look like a woman just to not look ridiculous in a skirt,(even tho a mans shape and leg muscles already do) when he likes himself how he simply is, and hes not gonna wear a skirt just cause its hot out, when there’s better options.(cotton pants,male type shorts) he has never and still doesn’t have a problem with his sperm count and is perfectly happy with his masculinity, hair,pants and all, and i love my femininity,skirts,dresses,no natural thick hair, and all.
Biggest problem people have? accepting their selves how they are and the gender they were born.
Also i’ve read that wearing trousers are worse for a man’s health then women, which is hilarious, Since more women in America get UTI’S (urinary track infection, which is/can be DEADLY, and interesting fact: American women get more often then Russian women because Russian women still wear skirts and dresses a lot) because of wearing jeans/pants, that make women sweat and bacteria starts to grow in sweat that can’t be aired out and dried, and women have a shorter urethra then men so we have shorter amount of time to pee it out before it gets into your urinary track, and wearing skirts/dresses helps air flow and less restriction of the the labia,urethra,and vagina in general.(yes, i said VAGINA.) so that they sweat less and if they do sweat, it dries to quick for bacteria to grow, many less men get UTI’S and wear pants all the time and more often then women, from young boys to old men they wear pants and only might get a few, while women who wear tight skin smothering pants/jeans can get many, and even recurring UTI’S and have this problem for a long time because they keep wearing the jeans.
and in first post, i meant ROBES, not ropes, sorry.
and where i read the trousers are worse for men thing was a comment here, so I’m just correcting them.
Oh and any theory of pants causing cancer in men, is just that, a THEORY.
Trust me I’ve read all about it, and am studying to be a scientist myself.
ILikeWearingShirts, women in the West were allowed to wear only robes, long tunics and long dresses till the beginning of the 20th century. In opposition, men wore many styles of skirts, tunics all lenght in the past.
Skirt is much more comfortable for me. Your text about why men wear trousers is an absurd. trousers were invented to survive reezy winters in the North and were UNISEX! The same like skirts and dresses in Ancient and Medieval Times.
I don’t know if my previus post will be approved by moderation, so I’ll repeat some parts.
More importand, trousers increases risdk of prostate diseases, it’s theory, but very propable. All simple conne
Sorry, I pushed ‘Say it’ by mistake.
So I continue: connection in that chain was confirmed however there was no reasearch about whole theory, so it’s still unconfirmed, but PROPABLE.
UTI, I know that. Do You know that men suffer similar diseases, maybe not as deadly but trousers for us aren’t good in that way.
Bible, where You read men aren’t allowed to wear skirts and dresses? People in Ancient Middle East and Mediterreanean didn’t know the trousers so wore robes, tunics (Roman soldiers), skirts (Greek soldiers, Ghauls etc.).
There are many styles of skirts and dresses worn by men in many cultures of the Ancient, Medieval and recent world: Greek soldier’s short skirts, Roman soldiers short tunics, Ghauls wore micro mini made of tartan, Arabian males wear galabijas, dhotis in India and Nepal, sarongs in South Asia and East Africa, lava-lavas in the Pacific islands. Kilt were invented propably in the Caucasian Mountains about 4000BC, then were used by Vikings, and appeared in Scotland from France. There are many modern styles of men’s skirts (long, black goth’s skirts used by goth and metal bands, modern kilts or even ordinary skirts like in the H&M collection, Macabi and Midas Clothing.
At last but not least, I’m not girly in my kilt. However is fact that women want to look manly recent times, also women are allowed to wear whatever they want, men aren’t. Why? It’s a discrimination, SEXISM!
ILikeWearingShirts, You must learn a lot if You want to be a sciencist.
I think everyone seems to be missing the essence of the message. Women are free to wear whatsoever they may wish to wear, whereas men must wear pants or just certain types of skirts such as a “kilt”. Why is that? As long as men continue to restrict their own freedoms, men will continue to enjoy fewer freedoms. I choose not be a second-tier person who can’t wear certain things. Women may wear virtually anything of their choosing without calling it by a different name or worrying that it looks too masculine. When are men going to beat their way out of that proverbial wet paper bag to allow themselves the same clothing privileges that women enjoy? No brains? Someone else tells you what is a man’s garment & what isn’t a man’s garment? It’s embarrassing to be of the same gender as those who don’t have the testicles to think for themselves.
Menneed to change in clothes fashion as skirt are much recommend for various reason included health – wear same trousers with different style are much bored also it much risk of any diseases included prostate – it need to make nice airflow through the body. I wear skirt most of time that help my health also I still cant wear men clothes cos of size problems and yes I would say “unisex” clothes that still normal clothes like shorts are using 2 legs and skirt cover in all in one.
@ILikeWearingShirts; I’m not sure what you want to explain: Why men want to wear skirts, I believe. But you can’t answer this because in general men are very different. I know a man which has to wear skirts but don’t want to wear it, another want because of free feeling.
I do not agree your explanation what a skirt is and what does it mean to people. Skirts are worn by men 2,900 years before women did it. That’s just a fact, beginning in Hellenia (Greece) and Romans. This garment was already called skirt, there were no robes, yes, a toga, people with less money didn’t wore toga’s only dresses down to mid calf. To complete that, first skirts were worn by women in the mid 18th century.
And, I am sorry, again, in the medicine research it is very clear that overheating in male’s private area causes testicle and prostate cancer. It is also well known that is more affecting African-Americn males than whites because of their skin. Results about this research you’ll find in several medical maganzine, beginning mid 1930’s in USA, Australia, UK, and Germany. Today nobody really want’s to talk about, there are different reasons for that.
The bible say: a man will not try to look like a women or pass for a women. He can wear skirt or dress, it is ok as long as he pass for a man. If he wish to pass for a woman and go to bed with men, it is absolutely wrong. But if he just wish to wear a skirt for confort and bien etre, there is noting in the bible again that. at the time the bible was made the men did not wear pant. women wear dress and men too. Did you ever saw a picture of Lord Jesus christ wearing pant. If you ever go to the vatican and look at the picture, most of men wear long men dress and you can even see and angel with a plated skirt. That angel is holding a glave (sword) and he does not have a feminine face.No men wear pant in encien time, it was to complicated to made in that time. A dress was a lot more easy to do. I still hope a day we will see skirt or kilt for men more ofen. Some men in montreal hospital wear kilt or skirt becose they wear not aloud to wear short during summer but women wear aloud to wear skirt. If it is good for women it is good for men too. Egality between sex. L’égalité des sex. I am 100% for it. Have a nice day.
I saw the site with skirted men map. While it contains kilted Scots it isn’t impressive. Why? IMHO because of lack of information. Most of You wear skirts in public, however You haven’t got a lot of followers. If You’re skirted, people don’t know Your reasons. If they don’t know, they create these theirselves. Firts connection is a psycho-sexuality, so reactions depend of homophobia level in local community. We know that they are wrong, but they don’t. I herd an opinion that man in skirt works as an idiot detector. Remember, some of those idiots are armed and dangerous. Thus I suggested that the reasons must be explained on the main forums. Also skirts for men have to be a bit different than for women to improve social attitude. Call it injustice, discrimination, sexism, You’re right, however it’s reality. Change must proceed evolutionary, step by step. Watch utility kilts, these are selling, are present on TV including CNN. I know that some styles of skirts should be unisex the same way that Levi’s jeans are, but thare must be demand much stronger than is visible now. Just go to the forums, show reasons, arguments for skirts for men and an attitude will change.
So far so good, strikemaster; but all TV stations or even CNN will react when many men would wear skirts or dresses, that catches. It is not enough to bring some report on air.
@lajupe: Skirts are worn first time in public as you learned in your homeland history, it was during the French Revolution. Until this time women wore only long dresses in very different styles. Men startet wearing trousers during 30years war, especially soldiers.
Going back to the bible, the main type of clothes were a kind of robe in Middle East, but Roman soldiers still wore short skirts. The reality is that in the Middle Ages women adopted the skirts from men. If you want to go back to find out the history of the word “Skirt” you;ll come first to the old English “skirta” which was adopted from German “shirte”.
@Mara said:
“So far so good, strikemaster; but all TV stations or even CNN will react when many men would wear skirts or dresses, that catches. It is not enough to bring some report on air.”
Notice, utility kilts were shown on TV, so are catching now on. For other-styled skirts You have the Internet anyway. Start the topics on the forums and defend skirts for men, You have some strong arguments so it isn’t so hard.
“Start the topics on the forums and defend skirts for men, You have some strong arguments so it isn’t so hard.”
I had to stop going to places like Yahoo and other “everyday” sites inorder to stop getting gay porn because of skirt wearing comments.
I had put in things like this page and only got gay porn and sex contacts. SO – anybody don’t mind the gays then have at it. Me – I like skirts but can’t stand the gay people thinking I want to have sex with them.
Ilovewearingshirt, if your bf want to keep his masculinity.. but with what? Pants? Women tend to wear more pants than skirts. Would be pants the only sign for masculinity we would not have women anymore because of wearing pants.
So, what is the reason to keep clothes-”masculinity”- If a man is really masculine he would not question that when wearing skirts, which would make him more masculine. Most men are react cowardly when it comes to do something different than they learned, i.e. wearing a skirt in public.
I do not have any problems wearing a kirt or kilt but when I am going in a skirt I always notice that I got a lot of compliments…… from females which want to learn more about me. How come?
Mark, It seems an attitude for men in skirts in USA is worse even in Poland. I’ve started such topics on Polish forums and got support from both women and men who want to wear skirts, no gay porn at all. Thus I don’t know how can I help You, however I suggest to continue, just don’t reply any sexual offers. You should describe in first post that topic is about heterosexual men in skirts, You aren’t a gay and don’t want to receive such proposals.
Martinus, if a man wants to stay masculine, must throw away his trousers! Our sexual organs have to be kept in the temperature 2 to 4 (some sources says 2 to
Celsius lower than rest of the body.
Also I agree, women do wearing trousers more frequently than skirts or dresses, it means trousers aren’t masculine in fact.
Small correction, the face visible in previous post means eight Celsius.
Thanks strikemaster;
Really I did not know that the temperature should be more than 1 degree (Celsius) in difference. Anyway, I’m a daily skirt wearer because of my support hose which I have to wear. No way to do that with pants.
Combining some comments means correctly, that women and men should not wear pants!
Okay, then let’s go back to that what our ancestors found out: Skirts and robes (for men) and dresses (for women) are the healthiest kind of clothing (which is true because it helped our families in the past to avoid diseases). Let us be very proud that we’ve found out that like our ancestors hundreds of years ago.
I do not see any single reason why men and women can not wear the same kind of clothes, styled for each of the sexes in their own, of course. The same counts for me with the underwear. I can’t see any reason why men should not have the same soft, silky and comfortable touch on their skin like we do have. Men are the same wonderful and beautiful creatures like women!
Since we are feminized the world (watch advertisements and comments) we have to back to the base, and there are two sexes, and we have to bring back the equality. It seems that the laws are equal but the reality shows that we are not equal any more. Let’s start with simple things like dressing. And if men like skirts more than pants, then lets help them to get out of their pants (which would make sense seeing a male body shape).
i wear a very short skirt and i love the attention i get from both sexes so to all you guys out there get em off and get it on
I wear black stirrup pants (very slim), black warm sock and polo jumper and black boots with fur trim on top and went out to clean the snow cover on driveway and next door came to help as it very cold in my home area which is -14oC plus went to shop for newspaper for my dad – people seem dont care what Im wearing as it very cold – already wear warm tights, with 15″ skirt and boots few days ago.
As a scottish ancistor I am in favor of Kilts for men.
scottish ancistor -
Wouldn’t this make you very old?
Are you not “of Scottish decent” instead?
I would prefer a cargo skirt or a denim miniskirt rather than a kilt any day of the week. The kilt is a sign of failure in addition to being expensive & uncomfortable. Didn’t those kilt-wearing Scots get defeated by the English who were not wearing kilts? In fact if the choice were limited to a kilt or pants, I would hastily choose the pants. I’m in favor of kilts for women; however, they are too smart to exchange their pants for a kilt. Maybe a kilt would make good fertilizer?
I am a 47 year old married man with 3 grown kids.
I have a few traditional Kilts (tartan) I have several modern Kilts (Utilikilt, Sport Kilt, Stillwater, etc) and I have some skirts (no minis).
I don’t shave my legs, paint my nails red (clear maybe) and wear men’s shoes only. Tights if its cold, socks if it’s not.
I have no problem with skirts IF don’t look like something Boy George would wear. Cargo skirts (pockets are a must for me) and some pencil skirts in solid colors that look “masculine” are MY pick. I honestly don’t care what anyone should chose to wear under their clothing, however you should keep it under your clothes; it’s called underwear for a reason.
I quality Kilt will set you back $400 or more, a cheap Kilt is in the tune of a 100, skirts at Old Navy $8.00 on sale. Why buy a $600 Kilt vs. a $30.00 skirt. Think about where you are going to wear it, do you want to look like someone that is brave? Or someone that cant match clothes to the occasion. Wear a Tux to Wal-Mart and see how people stare.
Wear what you want, don’t believe everything you read and above all remember… You are going to die some day, and will you regret things that you try and fail or things you fail to try.
Correct, kilted Framer;
After reading some comments it seems very clear that men want to wear something different and it is clear that there is a demand for skirts for men.
I think that is okay and I can’t understand that men want to explain WHY they want to wear a skirt or a dress (I assume that a kilt is still a skirt).
There are completely open fields what men can wear, not just one colored skirts or dresses, men MUST wear what they want. That makes a person independent and unique when expressing the personality.
Women, which are asked for their opinion, should only give some support HOW men can wear skirts, dresses etc.
It is totally wrong to come up with any kind of restrictions, men must have the same opportunities like women regarding clothes. That includes underwear, too. If they are would like to do it, now it is time to get out of home-hiding-places into public.
I am a 65 year old male that likes to wear skirts and dresses and sometimes with painties, garter belts and etc. I would like to wear them in public but have been afraid to. I have recently been thinking about wearing them in public and wearing them full time. What about a man my age wearing skirts and dresses in public. I do not want to totally crossdress as a woman. I just like skirts and dresses better than mens pants.
Forget the garter belts. Prehistoric regardless of your gender. Why would you try to pass as a woman unless you have some severe mental issues? I have been wearing skirts & dresses everywhere for over a decade & never have been mistaken for a woman. Never have I ever harbored a desire to be a closet queen. If you want to be a women, get a sex change & get on with your life; otherwise, why are you even thinking about “totally crossdress as a woman” with the fake boobs & a tampon stuck up your ***?
Dave, read carefully, Bob said he don’t want to pass as a woman, so calm down.
Dave,
They do make male garter belts – Hockey players!
Bob, regardless your age… a skirt is always young on a man. I know some men which are older an wearing skirts and dresses in public, looking majestic around, wearing pantyhose or stockings (couldn’t find out – but maybe a garter belt makes sometimes more sense for men going to a restroom??). Again, don’t be afraid, if your encouraged to wear something different it will count on you.
Skirts on men looking just great. It is a great change, and also I want to see men having same problems like women to find the matching outfit for different style of skirts becuse it does not make sense just change pants to skirts. But I believe that men can handle that, too.
For many people it is impossible to separate an article of clothing from a culturally defined gender definition of it. In conjunction with how we as humans normally categorize the world in terms of sexual identity and sexual orientation, it can be difficult for some people to understand modern behaviors one or two standard deviations from the statistical mean. Nature shows us that there is large variation in the manifestation of life on earth, and this is particularly true of human behavior. This behavioral plasticity is what has made humans so successful in our environment adaptations that we have radiated into virtually all known land environments.
In extremely hot and humid environments, the adaptation of a dress/skirt for males is adaptive in helping to keep the testes cool and well ventilated (testes need to be several degrees cooler than core body temperature or infertility results). Hence, the existent and widespread use of such garments in these areas up to the present day: the sarong in many asian and south east asian countries, the dhoti/lungi/mundu in most areas of India, the djellaba/caftan in the Middle East, North Africa, and Eastern Africa. This is by no means an exhaustive list – in some locations, there is hardly any clothing at all.
In temperate to colder environments, a skirt, dress, or tunic was often supplemented with leggings. Pants are a fairly recent innovation in garments primarily designed for extended horse riding. Consequently, the conclusion that skirts/tunics/dresses are only for females is a world view based on a limited understanding of the origins and evolution of clothing – and based on no direct experience with travel to many parts of the world where men today wear “skirts” and “dresses”.
The above does not cover the topics of sexual identity or sexual orientation of particular individuals within societies that proscribe the wearing of skirts and dresses. Many men who wear skirts in the US today (and who are not from a part of the world where such articles are normative) see themselves as 100% heterosexual and 100% masculine. Many may participate in “Scottish Games” every year and don a Scottish Kilt – a skirt – even if they are not of Scottish origin.
In other cases, the wearing of such articles of clothing can appeal to the individual’s needs for simple comfort, but societal pressures keep them wearing skirts at home.
In yet other cases, some may wear these articles of clothing to match their own internal sense of who they are, and they don’t see themselves as 100% male in the identity sense. Although their sexual orientation may well be 100% heterosexual, they may feel that part of who they are includes elements of feminitiy, and the wearing of these clothes brings them closer to who they see themselves.
Others may be exhibiting patterns of fetishism in regard to particular items of female attire, and this can become pathological if taken to extremes.
Others may be transgendered and who are or are not interested in sexual reassignment surgery.
In fact, there is incredible variation in the expression of sexual identity and sexual orientation among men who wear skirts and dresses. It manifests itself in myriad ways and is often a function of the culture inwhich men find themselves and on the internal forces of each individual male.
Chris, You described as it is but not as it should be. Skirts for men aren’t a brand new idea, men in skirts were common through history. There are no reasons why men express their difference by wearing a skirt, tunic, dress or robe. However there are some reasons that men must wear skirted garment. Testicles have to be kept in temperature between 33 and 35 Celsius (hypothermia), how it can be achieved in trousers? Let the sexual minorities and men who want to show their feminine nature wear something different (e.g trousers which are more feminine due to the women’s anatomy and history).
Mark, your neighbors may say that you are a pervert, but they are pathological liars — THEY are the perverts. ANY lunatic who calls a man in a skirt a pervert needs psychiatric help.
David, you are right but unfortunately they don’t know it. Try to tell somebody the truth……. and pretty fast they will say that you are the liar.
Just ignore it, and men must get over that. As said in comment 278, I have to wear skirts and kilt, and nobody cares anymore. Some women ask me recently what to do when her husband don’t want to wear a skirt. That is most significant result I can tell.
Maybe after 12-21-2012 noone will care what we wear.
Mark, are You superstitiuos?
There’s no evidence that armageddon could occure in 2012, but there are many reasons for men to throw away the trousers, best if before 2012, I don’t want to wait for the change for years.
Mark, do you mean ‘noone’ as NO ONE? I guess you are right that at this time nobody cares when men wearing skirts.
I don’t understand the problem people have with men wearing skirts. Apparently, the double standard, that so many women have fought to kill, is alive and well when it comes to clothing. Or is it that too many men have such fragile egos and are so afraid of what others may think of them should they dare to stray outside of the heavily fortified confines of their fashion box? I say it’s time for men in the U.S.A. to show the testicular fortitude God gave them and put on a skirt (knee length and pleated, please) and not give a damn what other people think. Why should only women have all the clothing comfort?
Concerning legwear, men are finding that hose are of a great benefit. Muscle support, warmth and yes even asthetics are taken into consideration when men CHOOSE hosiery. Shaving the hair off of one’s legs is simply anothor choice one makes, whatever the reason. No one has a problem when we shave our face. In my mind the precedent is set. There is no room for hipocrasy here. And sexual preference is not is the mix either. If anything, it takes a man who is VERY secure in who he is to wear a skirt and hose in public.
BTW, H&M is marketing a skirt for men in their Spring 2010 line. While not as far reaching as Kohls or Target, they are out there. Of course, there is always the denim and kakhi route available everywhere.
Finally, recently I asked a woman, who works in retail fashion, what she would think if she were to see a man in a skirt. She said, (and I’m paraphrasing here) “that the one thing that would come to mind is confidence. For a man to wear a skirt, in public, would take a lot of confidence in who he is and that that is the statement that would be coming through loud and clear by his choice of clothing.” I’ve also been told, by women, that it is precisely that-confidence- that they find the most appealing in a man.
Men just need to consider their clothing choices. Women wear pants, trousers, shorts of all lengths, dresses, skirts, skorts, bib overalls, capri pants, jumpers, etc. Unless a man wants to go about his daily life naked he has no choice but to wear a garment that women wear. Since most women wear pants or shorts, pants or shorts are definitely not distinctive items of men’s clothing. Rather than wear pants like most women, why not choose the comfort of a skirt or a dress?
Knee length & pleated? Why say that men are limited only to certain skirts whereas a women may wear any skirt of her choice? A cargo miniskirt is great. A long wool skirt is great. A pleated skirt on a windy day is usually a choice best left to perverts. Denim skirts of any length depending upon the weather are usually a macho-looking choice.
Shaving is not the route to take. Get an epilator. I use mine about once every two or three months to keep the entire leg smooth. Takes only a couple of minutes to maintain. Sandals are comfortable. Lets the feet breathe. Boots for the snow drifts. Common sense.
What is the question? What men can wear? They can wear almost all, depend on their shape, weight, etc. But we can recommend a lot but, most men don’t want to change from pants to skirts or dresses. It is a problem of men, not a problem of skirts!
Innovation, creativity, theory?
Sure, men can wear what they like, and should.
I wear skirts myself, but not obsessively – just if I choose to. I enjoy them for their pleasant change of flexibility and coolness.
Who is bothered by what the reaction is to it. I reckon the sooner your closer circle come to accept that skirts are a part of your choice, whether they object to it or not, the better is the freedom it brings.
I think the skirted male image is a refreshing sign of individuality.
Men tend to dwell on things for too long. Where worrying about being seen in a skirt might extend to several days, weeks or even months – just thinking of it gathering more and more anxiety by the day – simply doing it, to an onlooker, isn’t the same big deal – because they haven’t bottled up the imagined problems like yourself. You’re just a guy passing them on the street in a skirt.
All the anxieties are in the mind.
I haven’t yet generated any apparent interest in my own skirt wearing. People are used to seeing examples of self-expression and freedom of choice these days.
So let’s give them something ‘wild and wonderful’ to fill their dreary day.
Nothing to ad. Skirts for men are wonderful “crazy”, and I think that a skirts fits most men better than pants. It is just the first try for you guys, I think you’ll never want to look back.
I believe that not only should men wear skirts but boys as well. In Nov. 09, there was a big to do about boys wearing skirts to school, causing some schools to change their dress codes to allow boys to wear them. Of course they still had to meet the same criteria as the girls, which I support. Also in Japan boys skirts are a huge rage. Boys or their parents are buying them as fast as they are put on the shelves.
Like I said I believe in guys wearing skirts. Why, well first of all skirts are more hygenic then pants, they allow more air to circulate around the genitals, thus cooling them. Pants tend to cause sperm reduction due to heat being trapped by them. Thsi is a medical fact and confirmed by a University in Scotland. The rashes associated with wearing pants (jock itch) seem to be lower in rates with those who wear unbifurcated garments. Secondly, the comfort factor is greatly enhanced depending upon the style being worn. Naturally A-line pleated skirts are looser then hip hugger mini-skirts. For modesty purposes though boxer style briefs should be worn with a skirt. White light cotton panties could also be worn.
Another Item that should be in mens and boys wardrobes is SKORTS. Skorts are a full loose skirt with shorts already built into them. Usually the shorts portion is made of nylon for comfort and is generally 2 inches above the hem of the skirt. I also wear these items as that they don’t usually require underwear of any type.
I hope some of the info given here helps you in deciding to wear skirts or skorts. TRY IT, YOU MIGHT LIKE IT!!!
I read about the school rebelion in USA, there’s one big problem – most of these skirted boys are gays. It restores a stereotype that man in skirt is homosexual. It is problem because I’m not a gay or transvestite, however I like comfort given by skirt (casual kilt for instance).
I don’t know why You want to wear a skort, it looks as skirt and is uncomfortable as trousers. Thus might be good for beginners to get into a groove with new look.
I din’t know much about skorts, but would that not opposite you said with cooling the private area. A skirt must be warmer than pants or at least shorts, isn’t it right?
I think I like more real skirts. But we’ll see, maybe for men which are afraid going just in a skirt might try first skorts – as a ’safety’ way to wear skirts.
I love skirts! And totally can understand men which also like it. I believe that more men should wear skirts and dresses, the originally male garment in past.
@iliketowearskirts: You refer to the bible (writen in 300 AD). Please quote it correctly. Deutrimonium indicates that people are not allowed to wear clothing destined for the other gender. This is the incorporation of existing Roman law (200 BC). That law was drawn up in order to find criminals who tried to escape by wearing clothing of the other gender. Later on is was an approach by the psychiatrists late 19th century (Binet) and early 20th century (Jung) to state that wearing clothing of the other sex would be something done by someone who would require psychiatrict attention/help. In those days it concerned primarily the first women who started to wear trousers due to industrialisation.
As I noted that remarls were made concerning the usage of underwear, prior to the French revolution going commando was normal, underwear was something used by ladies of a certain reputation… So the gentry in order not to be found out as being gentry started derssing like the non-gentry, hence underwear is now common, dull clothing is “le must”.
More general:
After having read the contributions entered during the last month, not much has changed. Basically the are a number of men wearing or wanting to wear a skirt or skirt like garment, some have the guts to do it in puyblic, some don’t. Loking at the fashion shows with men’s fashion for A/W 2010, one will see more skirts or even the combination of skirts and trousers, more than previous years.
In my experience long distance driving in a skirt is much more comfortable than when wearing trousers. Also when sitting behind my desk as at this very moment, I do prefer a skirt.
Reason why I started wearing skirts was that my future ex indicated that she woudl appreciate such, bat was hesitant to go all the way. I did try it and experienced the comfort. In due course my wife used this as an excuse for filing divorce without realising that reason for wanting her “freedom” was the result the medical treatment she had received previously (a not much publicized side-effect of chemotherapy).
So, who is going to organise a global men-in-skirt-day other than on Carnival or Halloween.
while surfing I found the following site:
http://www.mascu-line-web.de/shop.htm
John, it is correct what you wrote about what the bible says.
At this time when it was written there were no pants. And in correct translation from Hebrew to English it should be understand in this way, that men nor women should wear the SAME clothes, in other words not sharing the same clothes. That includes underwear (which was very rare at this time) and outerwear, too. The styles for both gender were very similar at this time, but women did not use skirts at all, they used dresses. Men, influenced by the Romans, wore skirts.
That would be a nice idea to organize a men’s-pants-off day, but I think it would be easier to make for all men understandable what they miss not wearing skirts/kilts.
Martinus, what you indicate is something which is also not considered as popular knowlegde. The bible being derived from the Kabbalah and that the Koran was writen in the 6th century AD as a version of the Bible.
Underwear is still in many cultures non existent, especially where all where skirt like garments.
I guess that there are many men out there who do not realise that they wear a skirt like garment often enouh. e.g. those who tie a towels around their waist after showering. Are seams and a zipper essential for qualifying as a skirt? I don’t think so.
What si forgotten also, garments which were unisex during the Flower power era are now gender bound. I miss the logic.
Yes, John, you said it: “which is also not considered as popular knowledge”. Correct! But people talking about, telling stories about religious laws and even think that they would know the history (but I teach it) but actually have no clue.
And men using a towel after shower around the body is wearing a skirt, no doubt.
And if you look at the word “skirt” in a good dictionary you’ll find that it comes from old-English “shirt”, which makes it clear that is originally only a males garment.
But people don’t listen to that nor they would hear the truth – ….. I want to make it easy: I don’t care now what other people are thinking, when they ask me why I am wearing a skirt, I always tell the truth. And I noticed that really nobody speaks against me.
Martinus. So right you are in respect of knowledge of history. Somethingg which surprised me the other day, a group of people, calling themselves the group of faithfull. They study the bible together without guidance of someone who has studied theology and than they have the idea that they know more than anybody else. Well they can recite it by heart, but won’t realise that it containes loads of history, hence a certain perspective is required.
Same with the usage of words. When a Dutchman wears white tie and tails it is referred to as (translated) skirt.
Another nice one the French expression for morningcoat: Robe du jour being a dress for daytime!
Hence, at times it is good to trace the origin of an expression as they contain history also.
Many years ago I asked my history teacher as to what the use of history would be. He never asnwered the question. In my opinion historical knowlegde helps to prevent us from making the same errors as our ancestors due to knowlegde beyond the scope of our lifespan, same as we learn from our personal history/errors. Also it shows us that it is possible for one (wo)man to change the course of things as they are natural experts in public relations. Marketing works due to repetition of a theme, e.g. the advertisements on the TV. Hence if journalists would pay more attention to what is happening on the catwalks without being prejudiced, acceptante of men wearing skirts could be achieved easily. One of the persons doing so in a positive manner is Hope Alexander on the Hubpages.
Yes, John, I know some hubs from Hope. She has a lot of common sense, which I missed sometimes when I talked to other people.
“To live for the future you must understand the past”. Now we have a problem, I guess. What is living? Copying the past for the future, that means no change, no development, no progress, just nothing. That is what some people think when it comes to men’s fashion. Grey, black, hite is the future for this guys, no creativity, no innovation.
The world needs rebels in this case, they have not to be “Rough Riders”, just encouraged and brave men taking a skirt or dress and show up as men, manly men. There is nothing what some people like to call “feminine” because ALL pieces of clothing are on their nature for everybody, unisex. I don’t care what people wearing under it or using pantyhose which would make this person even more interesting.
It is the way how we’ll like to see it, and we can try to style all things feminine, even cars, or make it masculine as well. The boundary is in the head, not in clothes or types of clothes.
Well Martinus, at least the two of us agree and seem to have the support of 10762 additional pro=-voters on this site. how many million to go?
In my opinion the essence for the presentation is how you combine matters, and retain your own self at the same time and most important what makes you feel comfortable at which moment. And if one wants to wear tights or stockings which do facilitate an easier on/off of boots, indeed why not. Such was common in the Florentine time of De Medici. But in in the fashion as I saw the other day in a shopping mall as done by a woman eventhought is was a grand sight. The was wearing a black skirt with a blue belt, a black and blue stocking (same colour blue) and shoes also black with a patch of blue over the nose of the shoe. A men wearing such would spoil a good memory!
No, not millions to go, John. Just some more right now and they must be encouraged and brave should show up. Not too many, otherwise all men would wear skirts and dresses. And that, for sure, should not happen because then we would be again just one little part/piece of the crowd. We had this for a long time with pants.
Martinus, trousers increase frequency of some diseases and aren’t comfortable . I understand, You want to wear a skirt to stand out the crowd, but it means You’re pleased that milions of men suffer from trousers, fall into the disease etc.
Also I don’t agree about that mythical “courage”.
Question: why men don’t wear skirts?
Answer: they don’t know they are allowed (or they aren’t allowed because skirts aren’t for men in their world.
It have to be changed, milions must have the choice what toi wear and it means that man in skirt will become a part of the crowd the same as in trousers.
Well Martinus, if you take into account those living in India, the Far, Near and Middle East etc. already wearing skirts or skirt like garments, one could talk about the millions.
In the mean time I have taken a look as to what is presented on the catwalk for A/W 2010. Up to this moment I have seen skirts in the mens collection worn by men (some labels have mixed shows) with Gaultier, Givenchy, Pringle of Scotland, Raf Simons, Rik Owens and Tim Hamilton, some of these labels combined it with trousers. I have read some where that Viviene Westwood would have skirts in her a/w 2010 collection but have not yet seen the pictures. Other labels had men in legging (Long John’s without fly opening
) and gloves up to the elbows or byond.
Strikemaster, you are so right with the remark concerning comfort and thus better for the family jewels. I have readd a number of remarks that trousers would be causing cancer in the lower regions. Due to circumstances I have been reading up on various forms of cancer and its causes, amongst others oncology magazine professionals only texts. I did learn that the partitions between the various forms are crumbling, I have seen that a number of forms other than lungcancer can be related to smoking, same as heartfailure. Also hairspray used by women is a cause for Non Hodgkin Lymphomia, but I have not seen that the could be a relationship between prostrate cancer and the use of trousers. Note most cancer forms are already present but need a catalist like stress to become active. So if you have information to substantiate your claim, please present it.
John, I haven’t found any straight medical statemen t combining prostate cancer and trousers. Just because is very hard to find proper sample for that research (there should be two samples on men, one wearing only skirts, second only trousers of the same origin, living in the same conditions).
However some relations were proved:
1. between wearing trousers and rtesticles overheating,
2. between overheating and very unstable testosterone level,
3. between too high testosterone level (it occures during instability caused by overheating),
4. between hign testosterone level and many diseases (including prostate cancer, benign – it’s main cause of this disease, impotence, and even heart diseases).
As You see, the theory is partially confirmed.
Well, there is a direct connection between the heat and growing cancers cells, like we know from women’s breasts, too. A male body in pants produces higher temperature than the body needs, this accumulate in the area where both legs come together, at the crotch. Heat and movement through walking energizes more heat which some bodies can’t equalize, rapidly growing of cells are the result. There are some articles in British and Australian medical magazines, but I forgot the year when they were published, but that must be in the late 60’s. As you know the temperature in male’s ‘private’ area should be 2-5 degree Fahrenheit below the average body temperature, in reality it is 4-7 degree higher.
In countries with traditional male-“skirt”-cultures are those diseases unknown, and guess why? But these diseases are rising, and nobody have an answer.
But that’s not all, overheating causes higher stress to the heart, stress-related strokes and heart attacks are the result.
As I said, I don’t know when it was published, but a good hospital or physician can help you n this case to find more.
Thanks Martinus. Thus we have two separate mechanisms causing male diseases connected to wearing trousers. It’s strong argument to promote skirted garment among men, isn’t it?
skirts are very comfortible and sexy.men should be allowed to were what ever they like just like women do.it should not matter what kind of cloths a person weres as long as you are happy.i like to were skirts,panteis and bras
a short search revealed the following info:
http://prostatecancer.about.com/od/riskfactors/a/riskfactors.htm
factors: tribe, heritage and enviroment (smoking, alcohol (=> posioning of the body) etc.)
Another thing is the herbs used in some cultures. According to physicians of Kingston University hamilton, Kamakurka wuld be a herb which reduces the chances of developing prostrate cabcer and that is a herb used in many countries where men in skirts/sarongs etc are an everyday thing.
More important let comfort and virtility count!
Yes, John, I checked it too.
It might be focused on that you mentioned and written in this websites, and I could be happen that other countries than U.S. are checking different ways.
I don’t care acutally, and I could be close to strikemaster’s comment too, because I am wearing skirts because I have to wear havy support-stockings -hose for my legs (all year long), staying healthy after an accident. This kind of support with pants are impossible because of the heat which would increase and extend the tissue – and blood-circulation would be too low. First time I wore this combination with pants and supporthose, but I one day they brought me to an ER (don’t ask me about how I came to the hospital – I don’t know) and the doctor’s had just one recommendation for future: Don’t wear supports with long pants. Solution: Skirts.
But that is a special recommendation and does not fit what we are looking and discussing.
Hey Guys;
I believe there is much more to discuss about men’s health.
I think that this blog was created just to find out if skirts are fine for men, looking good on them -which I can confirm- and the ability to wear.
Understanding that we stepped into a different era with new feelings, new ideas and progressive movements is actually the the topic. And I think that the old gender-role structure is moving away which an open end and a space for new men’s fashion and it’s new understanding.
We often make the mistake of assuming that a man who wants to wear skirts and maybe dresses and bright pretty things wants to be feminine. Sometimes he does, but quite often, he is simply seeking a form of expression denied to him in the realms of the fashion assigned to his gender. And that is new, that men showing feelings for things he never could do before. I also think there is no doubt that men deserves the same attention like women -this understanding is new, too. Am I right?
HI Martinus.
I can respect & understand your resion for weariung skirts. I guess that most of the male supporters of men wearing skirts have been introduces one way or the other the the phenomenon of wearign skirts, may curiosity by his partner and/or himself, maybe need as in your case, whatever; any excuse is as good as another with all the same result: the experience of comfort and maybe the the fring benefit of a better health.
Bess. I do think that what you have put forward as to how people percieve the concept of a man wearing a skirt. Also the double tandard, if it is a scotsman in klit it’s ok, an Indonisian in Saring, it’s ok, an arab in his traditional gown, it’s ok but as soon as it is a caucasian wearting something other than a professional gown,morningcoat or towel somewehre somthing goes wrong.
Indeed the fashion is becoming less gender bound expecially in the direction of women wearing clothes considered mens fashion. Also on the catwalk you will see regularly male and female models during the same show wearing apparel which appears similar. I do think that it the people prezenting enad commeting on fashion would be less prejudiced,may more pro, that acceptance would become more easy.
And Yes men are human being with feelings and would appreciate toe be respected and not used like slaves as some women deem fit without obtaining prior consent. Roles are changing hence one has to accept all changes. If not, one has a serious problem!
John, indeed, first time I used my leg concerns as an excuse for me, because I never would wear a skirt before, I was one of this guys which said “never”. That was a reason that I needed an excuse. I had a problem with myself, maybe the same as many men have when thinking of wearing a skirt.
I thought all people will staring at me….. but nobody did. Opposite, people had nice comments and encouraged me. And with my first wearing a skirt I felt the difference in comfort, I saw that a skirt fits perfect on me, and I changed my mind. That took 2 or 3 month!
Today I do not need any excuses or support from anybody, and I can smile/laugh about the time when I had to go skirted.
I am a full supporter for men’s skirts, now .
Getting back to the ‘weird or wonderful’ element, in my humble opinion I think men can either look weird or wonderful depending upon their choices of skirt. Simply imaging a man in a generic skirt isn’t enough to go on. I think either sex can look good in either skirts or pants, as long as they fall loosely withing the realms of being a typical male or typical female choice.
A skirt which has a sensible cut to it can look a million dollars on a man, can indicate total self confidence with two fingers very much up at social clothing stipulation – and look sexy too! Actually very sexy to some women. And if that last plus isn’t a bonus I don’t know what is.
Mens’ choice (and womens’) cannot, and shouldn’t, be limited by the stupidity of society’s blinkered obsession with an enduring gendered mindgame which insists that a man in a skirt is not 100% masculine.
I wear plain, mainly uneventful, but cleancut skirts of what I consider to be male-appropriate, and wish I’d climbed into them much sooner. Now being over 60 my years left to appreciate this newfound freedom from pants whenever I feel like it has been slightly diminished.
But I’m damned sure I shall make the most of the time I have left to enjoy not only the flexibility of skirts, but also being seen blatantly to enjoy them.
As I also wear trousers, my choices in lower body cover have effectively doubled…almost as much choice now as women have! And there’s the rub.
If you see the element of “Weird or Wonderful” and going to find an answer for that, you’ll find out that this question came from a female. Mention this question should include what most people don’t want to say nor think: How about the emancipation of men? Are we so far away from the reality that we do not see the increasing difference between the gender-roles (which by the way not longer existent – beginning 1970s) made by society throughout all possible propaganda?
I think all men deserve the same attention, support, maintain, any kind of aid, appearance and comfort like women. And that includes fashion, whatever it might be.
Women always will look different in their wardrobe than men, that is the difference in the sex, behavior and interests.
But to say men which are not following so called “straight” men’s dressing style are not 100% masculine is just silly and stupidly.
And in my opnion a skirt anyway is a loan from men’s former wardrobe to women, and we shouldn’t mix it up with “typical Women’s clothing”.
way to go Dagmar! Same 4 u Somedaysaskirt.
The essence of the story is that one can put on what ever one likes as long aas one is critical of himself and shows proper taste. And that is a problem by itself as one does see often people wearing clothing which doen’t suit them, like they don’t have a mirror at home.
Despite I’m not Scottish the kilt has become my favorite casual skirted garment and so it has been for the last 12 years.
I like it because: 1) It is comfortable like no other manly garment I know of. 2) It is versatile – can replace shorts and pants and be used for both dress-up and dress-down functions. 3) It is different. 4) It brings variety to an otherwise rather dull manly wardrobe.
The only problem: It is like smoking your first cigarette, have you once tried on a kilt you are hooked. I think I have brought it to about 25 kilts by now and more are coming, I’m afraid/sure/I hope.
Greg – a Danish kilt wearer
This issue of weird or wonderful is without merit, it is an issue of self. I wear skirts and kilts, I am not gay, and take pride in my anglo-saxon heritage. Now why don’t or won’t wear skirts and/or kilts it is because of what #27 sasgirl 1 stated pure and simple. Labeling He/she said that for fear of being label in a box he/she is not comfortable with holds him/her back from leaving his/her home dressed in a skirt.
There is a site called Labels are for jars, it is a very interesting site. I don’t believe in labeling people whether they be hetero/homo/ or what ever they are HUMAN. A vast collage of individuals who make up this world of ours. I don’t follow the beliefs of some but that is my right to accept or decline their doctrines. I do follow the laws of each country I have been in as far as morality or criminal doctrines are concerned. I do not have to follow their religious beliefs. I am a christian and would never attempt to press my beliefs upon some others who follow a different path and expect the same from them. I know I’m off topic but it is that labels like straight, gay, lesbian or the like only perpetrate hostilities or prejudices. If you want to put labels on something then go open a canning company because thats the only place they belong……
Hey guys, I think we are writing the year 2010 and we are not anymore in an isolation like in Monroe Doctrine stated. So we are open, creative, innovative and flexible.
Weare over that:
“I have come to this country to introduce an entire new state of society; to change from an ignorant, selfish system to an enlightened social system which shall gradually unite all interests into one and remove all causes for contest between individuals” (Robert Owen, 1827).
So I believe we all should accept fully that men want to go their own way, expressing themselves, and we can hear the men’s demanding from so many countries going skirted like old cultures. I think that is the way: “Just understand the men like they did with us.
Good Lord! Are there any MEN left?
They are wearing make up, using hair products, and now wearing skirts!?
What happened to men being men and women being women?
I am all for someone wanting to express themselves and do their own thing, but this is going a little to far.
Kat, what happened to people that they prefer to travel by car or by air? Why we don’t like to ride on donkey’s back like real people done many years ago?
Next question, why we wear clothes? Notice ,first people were naked, they didn’t know any garment, were in their population any real men or women?
Next, skirt is a traditional male garment, better fits our anatomy thus is comfortable and healthy.
And at last, I don’t want to use make-up, don’t like any hair products except shampoo and I wear a kilt (I’m not a Scot), so am I real man?
Hi Kat;
Maybe I missed something on myself: Are you only female because wearing skirt? Is a skirt the sign of feminity for you? How about wearing pants? Are you turning into maleness with pants? for sure I don’t. And why should men do?
I just wonder!
And ‘make-up’ which we adopted from native Americans and before from (male) Egyptians? I just want to learn a little it more.
Kat said: “…tis going to far” That is exactly what many men said when woman were asking for the right to vote, or in muslim countries when a woman is not wering a vail. How about that Kat?
Perlita
Dagmar, nice comment. But Perlita, there is a way to interprete ….”little bit too far” in two directions. In case you described it is manly to protect women (the old way of thinking) doing something wrong, going out of the house, being involved in politics instead managing household and children. We all know that was the wrong way.
I see in Kat’s “going too far” the comment that actually women should not take care what men might do in case of fashion style because men do not do like women do: criticizing what men are doing, wearing, want to wear. They support women, so why isn’t it like this way? Isn’t it going “too far”, but from the women’s side, too. How about the equality – or do we have always measure with double standards?
Just wondering.
Nothing to discuss about this topic. Men can wear skirts or dresses like women can wear pants. No restrictions at all. That’s the way to go!
Thats correct, Chris. Let us use some words to think about, too: “Inspiration is not garnered from the litanies of what may befall us; it resides in humanity’s willingness to restore, redress, reform, rebuild, recover, reimagine and reconsider.”
Use the last words and think again.
Guess that reinvent is part of therow of words mentioned. Most important the aspect of RE, doing it again as our history teacher would tell us.
Yes that right this is no law against men wear skirt in public – still allow but need more men wear skirt in public, Ive wear most of time as cops already passing me many time – it still allow for men to wear – problem is people need to understand and accept it.
hence: reaccept
Yes, John, let’s re-think the problems of the society and re-doing it again – wearing skirts all the time – and the reconstruction is perfect for a reform. (smile)
Martinus, indeed and let’s also REmember our roots.
In the mean time I have been ging some thoughts to the issue mentioned previously, why would it be that skirtwearire would be less prone to protate cancer than others. As cancer is greatly influenced by stress my idea would be that skirts wearers are more (self)contious and therefore more sure of them selves, hence less stress and thus less prone.
John, I think there’s another link. Trousers can cause stress, especially when is hot weather or are too tight, so can cause cancer in that way (and heart attack as well).
Another thing is that as I described, overheating of mammal’s male sexual organs conduce to hormonal instability. If it works on animals, why somebody deny it works on human males?
John, yes I have read your comments to this issues. Strikemaster, you are right, and it is not just the the question of healthy body and organs, it is for most people how does it look like. If you see comments inother links, just the question about it looks. It seems to me that there is no other perspective for some people.
As you know, that count’s. What the industry is producing must be in fashion. Because the fashion industry is just that, an industry. It is cold, dispassionate and responds not to love, nor hate, joy nor sadness, nothing about elegance, healthy-ness, but only to the call of money. But a lot of people don’t see that …. center-point…..
Strikemaster, thnx for your comment. I do think one has to distinguishe between cause and symptom. Trousers, weather, the decease of a beloved person etc. are causes, stress is triggered by these causes and when stress is experienceed for an extended period, it will trigger a secondary reaction in the body, which could be an ulcer or cancer.
Ans yes Martinus, the peer pressure does influence the choice of dress. For one reason or the other people whant to be fashionable and trendy which translates itselves into buying what is found in these trendy stores which in general excist only for a number of years and than either fold ot change into a style which goes along with the age of the entrepeneur. If one looks at the fashion shown in Paris and Milan, haven’t we seen it all once or twice, the catwalkshows in NY, dull, but those in London (UK), they do show something new! And for what is shown in London the same question rises as the one which is being discussed on the initiative of Cynthia, will it withstand the peer pressure?
I do wonder whetehr Cynthia is still following the dicussion.
Recently there was an article in a newspaper of the skirt for men with H&M in Europe. Within 4 dayd there asmuch comments as in this blog in about a year. Comments were both positive and negative, but mostly from neutral to positive. One could say that it is an item which is getting a live of it own now.
I agree, more neutral or positive comments especially since TV-shows coming up with this new men’s fashion style. In Europe men wearing shorter skirts, I would call it mini-skirts, but these guys looking fabulous in it.
yes short skirt call as mini skirts that I usual wear cos it feel so good and it much shorter and yes it look great on men as well
Meike, where would that be, haven’t seen such yet.
John, what didn’t you see: Men in mini-skirts or men in skirt or dress in USA – TV?
I am 14 years of age and i like wearing skirts they are less restricting and they feel and look great. I started to wear them at 13 and i have since last year and at school i might not wear them because of the teachers being so homophobic. But everyone knows and the girls think its cool and i gotta say im just wearing something that men have been missing out on for a long time. So i say men wear a skirt youll like it
Meike: you mentioned the shorters skirts in Europe. Havent’t seen those around.
Men’s skirt day – 15th May I found on Skirtcafe. In fact it’s not brand new idea. One guy on his (now expired) website wrote 1st May as a International Men in Skirts Day many years ago. Some of You might think it’s wrong because every day (especially when is hot or You want to step outside the crowd) should be a skirt day, but IMO that initiative that can popularize skirts for men. It could be a good opportunity for many men to try a skirted garment and show that there is nothing to be afraid with men in skirts.
Doesn’t look right for normal day wear to me—
Brian, why?
Just wear skirt if you feel like to – Im keeping wear denim mini skirts with black tights that much comfortable – went out for walk and been in petrol very busy time – people already look at me and just very normally, nothing like stare or bad calling,etc.. so need more men wear skirt in public that may change rather than wait too long to be accept.
Don’t write endless stories – wear a skirt or kilt, that’s what we need to do.
It makes MORe sense for a guy to wear a skirt than a girl from the anatomy standpoint alone. No crotch binding seams for the first time ever! Something most males have never experienced thus do not think about it! A short skirt on a hot day is significantly cooler than shorts!
Don’t believe guys don’t look great in skirts? Here’s about a thousands pix of guys in skirts: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patagoniakid NOTICE one thing… guys still look like guys in skirts just as women still look like women in pants! In fact notice after seeing so many the skirt effect wears off and it becomes Oh Hum. Notice the hits drop off rapidly as bepole become bored looking at guys in skirts…. INTERESTING eh?
Guys need to loos their homophobia and enjoy a really great piece of clothing…SKIRTS!
I think the web-site you mean is this one (the one you specified has only a few pics)
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patagoniakid/GuysInSkirts#
looking at the pictures of Patagoniakid one would say that the sirted girls are becoming an endangered species also. Shouldn’t they be invited to participate in this discussion?
Skirted girls endangered? Definitely. In fact they are even having problems wearing pants. Have you seen “The Price is Right” TV show lately? Virtually every woman is wearing pants with several of them wearing ragged & ripped pants with patches of skin clearly visible. Even some homeless people are more acceptably attired. With this wide-spread degraded feminine appearance I also suspect than their personal hygiene has suffered. I wouldn’t want to be downwind! I don’t personally care if skirts ever regain acceptance with females since they are my exclusive attire. This way I am attired as 1% of women rather than the 99% of women who wear pants. As a male I do not think that women should be deprived of their right to look stupid. The roles have clearly changed.
Dave, isn’t that what you are discribing as what you have seen a uniform? Most probably made in China, home of uniforms. Where has individuality without becoming narcistic gone?
Thanks Cynthia for this great poll. I am a male who has been wearing kilts and skirts for years. I find skirts very comfortable and stylish, especially broomstick skirts. I’ve worn a long, three-tiered skirt to a Contra Dance and had so much fun twirling and spinning all night. I don’t think skirts are for everyone, but men should be encouraged to wear them if that is what they prefer. I set up a blog called Skirting into the Future: Guys in Skirts to offer my support for men in skirts.
I think the men’s-skirt wave is rolling and becoming bigger. Watch the new men’s collection for Fall/Winter 2010 and you’ll be surprised. http://www.givenchy.com/
Go to men’s fashion, fall/winter 2010, ready to wear. You’ll see more than the half of presentation are skirts for men. Men will wear tights with the skirts, skorts are also offered. That’s great….. but so far I could see, all in black.
I was wondering what others feel about use of wraparound ‘kilt skirts’ on men…that is, they buckle up on the (left) feminine side rather than the accepted kilted male side (right) . I often see these on ebay quite inexpensive and am tempted. They are usually a bit shorter than the male kilt (20″). With a sporran, who would spot the difference, apart from a Scot?
With a sporran? Why? Add the bagpipe for the complete ethnic costume look while you are at it.
All of my skirts were purchased from the womens side of the retail outlets. More than two-thirds have the buttons or zippers on the right (male?) side. Who cares? There isn’t such a thing as a “male kilt” in the U.S.A. since a skirt is a skirt is a skirt. Get over it. Is your masculinity that threatened? It won’t cause a sex change! Pants are a womans garment of choice anyhow. Do women worry about what they wear? Why appear to be so fragile?
Over here in the UK kilts are NOT female garments – argue that a kilt is a skirt with any Scotsman at your peril! Hospital food is not like homemade.
I use sporrans simply because kilts have no pockets, not because I hope to pass as a Scotsman.
I am a clean cut, short hair, clean shaven, heterosexual man. Recently I just turned 40 and have been getting into some great shape. The thought of wearing a skirt in public has just been out of the question for me up until the last two weeks. I found a skirt at REI. (That’s the outdoor and recreation store for those of you that don’t know.) It feels wonderful on me. I don’t know why, but I could trade all of my pants and shorts for this skirt. I feel covered but at the same time my private area is not squeezed as I have put up with for so long.
I have a problem, Houston, though. My wife is not supportive at all. She doesn’t mind my wearing it around the house. She is so against it in public. She says it will embarrass her and is worried what people will think. She said it will make me look like her. I told her I would drop it, let the whole thing go, and take the skirt back to the store. She doesn’t even know that I am writing this right now. I really don’t want to make waves with her, since we have been married almost 12 years. However, I have never felt something so wonderful on my body. I am really bummed and not feeling good at all. Anybody out there got some advice for me?
James, there is no ultimate way to solve this particular problem. I recommend to read some hubpages from H. Alexander, see below:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-Hide-When-Youre-A-Man-Who-Wears-Womens-Clothes
I had the sameproblem in beginning, but I wore skirts in public and one day somebody of my wife’s friends told her how fantastic it looks on me. My wife changed, and the last skirts I got she bought for me.
Just try it in different ways.
James, I have been wearing skirts for a minimum of a dozen years. I have experienced very positive reactions. I shave to be smooth excepting my head. More comfortable. Better suntan. Hairy legs. Yukky . . .
Why would she be any more embarrassed by you wearing a skirt than you would be embarrassed if she were to wear pants in public. She thinks that men should wear pants. Pants must be a a mans garment in her mind. Why then does she want to wear a masculine garment in public? A ridiculous double standard is the only answer I have ever found to cover such circumstances. To be fair both of you need to dress as the genders did 100 years ago. She needs to dispose of every pair of pants while you need to forgo the wearing of a skirt. Each of you must be gender restricted; otherwise, each of you needs equal rights to wear whatsoever you please. No party should have any more choices than the other party. She is simply not superior to you in that she can wear mens clothing (pants) while you can’t wear skirts (womens clothing). Pants are really womens clothing since only about two percent of women wear skirts more than pants.
When we were married my wife & I decided that she would wear the pants in the family. I live in skirts. Yes, many women have complimented my legs. I get praise from women not criticism. If skirts really a feminine garment, why aren’t women wearing them all of the time?
You desperately need equal rights with your wife. Simple. You are not a second-rate being. Your position with your wife is embarrassing. Stand up & act like a man!
Thanks, Martin I read that material! I appreciate your answer and perspective. Actually it was just last September that I began to shave my legs which is something my wife didn’t want me to do for years. Today she doesn’t think a thing about it. I just wonder if the skirt wearing in public will be the same?
I told her at first I would start wearing a skirt in the woods on hikes rather than in every day life. What do you have to say about that? Should I go for it in everyday life or just out in the woods to start?
Thanks
Thanks Dave! I need to stand up and act like a man in everything not just some things. I think you raise a great point. I feel like what has happened in my marriage today with this skirt issue is causing me to open my eyes to some issues in our marriage.
I really appreciate you and others out there(strangers no doubt but encouragers) for the insight and comments.
Thanks again!
James; Start with that you feel comfortable with it. I started going to church on Sunday some years ago, people were reacting surprisingly. The greeting pastor asked me what is happen and I said I don’t want to go in pants. He laughed and made later a nice joke, all people were looking at me and some came to shake hands.
My wife did not want to go with me at this day but when she heard from others what was happen she felt she missed something. And now? She don’t care, as I wrote before, she is buying the skirts for me now. But I want to reduce that, because I like to make my own choices when it comes to fabric or color of skirts and kilts.
I was wondering what you thought of wearing pantyhose with a skirt in public? I must confess I have been doing that around the house since I was fourteen. The idea of wearing a skirt has just popped up since I have been getting in shape. When I am running I notice every little restriction that clothing has on my body especially you know where. Thanks for your answers and support Dave and Martin.
that ok for you to wear skirt in public – Ive done many times as people included young women already seen in my black tights with denim mini skirt but just ingore as I was as Bank atm as they passed behind me.. it just much normally.. have look at video clip: http://www.givenchy.com/ for men new fashion in the late 2010… look nicely.
Dave, what brand and type of epilator do you use? I have always heard that this a very painful way to remove hair. However I am tired of shaving my legs 4 times a week.
As I am walking around in the house with my knee length REI skirt. I am aware that my private stuff shows through a little. It’s a little buldgy. Am I just wearing the wrong skirt? Or am I too self conscious? I guess this might be the reason that might stop me from wearing skirts in public life.
Greetings: (Attn: James)
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Avoid those skin-tight skirts & dresses. It sends the wrong message to everyone. A good denim or khaki skirt over a good quality hicut or bikini panty that provides support will eliminate that “buldy” permanently. Avoid thin fabrics at all costs. A-line skirts are great. Pleated skirts are great except on a windy day. Elastic waist skirts get my vote. You might try a skirted swim suit bottom. I own several. A firm support panty under an attached skirt. No problems with this combination no matter what. Just suggestions. Aren’t you a man who is capable of thinking for himself? I know that you are!
Keep the great exchange of ideas alive. Let’s help end distasteful male bashing that is all too common. You don’t need a vagina to wear a skirt any more than you need a penis to wear pants. Think about it.
Clear words, Dave. I like it, and I like when men can talk about clearly about what they think. In your case I must say that you have great experiences. Thanks.
I would like to get back to the original question. Weird or wonderful? The people that rang in the beginning were just concerned about whether a man could wear a skirt or not.
I do not read that any of these people were concerned about what type of skirt is worn by a man except for #2 JMA. To summarize most of them said that a man should wear whatever he wants.
Dave, you have put restricitions on what type of skirt to wear. One thickness might be okay to one man, but not to another. We have a real problem here. If we’re going to say that men wearing skirts in public is okay, then we have to let them wear whatever and face whatever consequences or benefits that may occur.
Please go back and refer to how the beginning of this argument started. Maybe nobody was thinking of the male private area.
I’m sorry, jean skirts and khaki skirts are uncomfortable in the legs. I would benefit in the private area but not in the legs. Also I was looking at women’s swim skirt bottoms on ebay. There’s no way that looks comfortable to wear. I chose my first skirt because it is comfortable on me.
If we really believe that we can be equal to women in dressing then we must be able to wear any skirt that a women can, could, or has worn.
It’s the soft and thinner fabrics that make skirt wearing fun and wonderful to me. Every man is going to have a different preference. Why now are we putting restrictions on what type of skirt to wear? After all women don’t!
The sales lady that helped me out said that people should be able to wear whatever they want. She didn’t make restrictions on fabric thickness.
One more thing about hight cut panties. NO WAY! How do they promote healthiness for a man. 99.9% of panties aren’t designed for the male body. Boy shorts and the Bali Freeform Panty are the only ones that come close. I actually wear the Freeform panty. It is shaped much like a man’s brief.
If there is any ladies out there reading this. I would like to have you respond to what I have said. Dave, I would also like to hear what you have to say in regards to my arguments.
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@Dave: that right no need to chop your willy and make vagina to wear skirt. keep your own willy and wear skirt that make more comfortable without crush our willy like flat as paper. Wear skirt is like as clothes we like to wear that nothing wrong with staring,etc.. people need to get new battery for thier head to wake up..dont you think?
@ Martin 377. What you mention as how your wife is not reactiong to the nes situation is nothing other than trying to regain control. Domination within relationships is a separate issue of course but wearing a skirt as a male might give women the feeling that you are on their truf, hence they will either oppose and file for divorce as my wife did two years ago or she will adjust to the new situation and go along and try to regain the control. Funny thing is that women in southern France were more emancipated in the 12th century than they are at present and in the 12th century skirted men were common.
James, as to the words of Dave I guess that one should see these as a suggestion. Of course you may wear whatever you feel like. I guess that Dave’s suggestions are based on the appearance and what do you want to present as an image, just a man wearing a skirt or a kilt or are you an exibitionist at the same time who, likes the gays when having their festivities e.g on the boats through in Amsterdam or the SFO ….street event, wants to show his family jewels. Could it be that your wife opposes to you wearing a skirt in public for that reason and that a skirt like the ones suggested by Dave would resolve that problem? As always give and take. Neither party is alone in a marriage so at times you have to accomodate to each other. Ask her why she opposes to public wearing, is it in general or the specific skirt and if it is the specific skirt, what sort of skirt would have her preference and where would she be willing to let you wear a skirt in public for the first time and would she be willing to jon you at such an occasion as a good supportive wife… may a wager i.e. a bottle of champaign to drink afterwards in case of foul comments by third parties, from yopu to her and no comments from her to you. It is an afrodisiac… have fun
John, you are exactly correct. I just can’t see a man in a skirt version of the infamous college coed wet t-shirt contest nor can I see a man in a ballerina costume shopping in the grocery. Thin fabrics will reveal that a man is much less streamlined than a woman below the waist. Certainly you have seen the outline of the legs & panty of a woman who was wearing a thin cotton skirt on a bright sunlit day. I wouldn’t like to have that be me.
We all may have different styles. Mine come from years of experience. Some looks get you more compliments & wife approval than others. Yes, I have abandoned anything that my wife says looks like a hooker.
There are great Jockey for Her brand & Hanes Her Way brand panties, to name only two, that provide great male support. Very comfortable too. Avoid the feminine thongs for obvious reasons. Comfort is the key in what you wear. Common sense is king. Don’t look stupid. You will know when you hear comments of small children to their mothers. Tell your wife than your value her input. Wouldn’t you tell her if she had hideous panty lines in her pants? Compromise is the word here. You are not on a mission to embarrass her but rather to just wear comfortable clothing such as skirts & dresses.
Indeed Dave, a dialogue based on equality is required with mutual respect. Give and take. Just a thought, when you go out to shop for a skirt, why not by two so you and your wife can go unisex like when wearing trousers?
I get it there are some of us that like skirts or kilts or what ever you want to call them. We would wear them in public based upon public acceptance, but the reality is that men do not talk to other men about wanting to wear skirts or kilts, JC Penney’s, Walmart nor Nordstrom sell them and most single minded ppl do not accept them. If I work a skirt to the office, I would be sent home and given a week off w/o pay to think about my compliance to some company dress code and that would be it. My wife prefers me in pants, sorry that is the reality of it. W
Norms do not allow us to wear a kilt or a denim skirt out to the office or anywhere else. I find it annoying but until JCP, Wallmart and Nordstrom see the bucks in it, it will not be accepted. Plus most men are not confident enough to wear a kilt or a denim skirt. It just is not possible specially in small town usa.
Sorry, I am a bad speller and need to be punished. Maybe make me wear a skirt in public all day, specially to work so I could spend that week off on the golf course thinking about my dress code. (LOL)
I have been wearing dresses & skirts everywhere for over 20 years. San Diego to very small towns across the “Bible Belt”. No acceptance issues. Basically, it is a no guts wimp versus being a real man decision that you must make. “Norms” do not restrict me to wearing pants, the preferred garment of 98% of American females. You are stuck in the “chicken vs egg” argument here. If you remember the 1940s & 1950s as I do you will recall that women wore “mens” pants since there wasn’t a market for so called “womens” pants. In a similar vein you won’t see a market for mens” skirts & dresses until a substantial number of men switch their garment choices. The retailers will sell into an established market. I seldom see other men exercising clothing choices such as I do & such as virtually every American female does on a daily basis. I simply refuse to wear uncomfortable pants since I am not built like a female. I prefer my wife in a skirted garment but the reality is that hell will be frozen over before that occurs. So what does that have to do with anything. I see myself as a first-class human being with the same clothing choices that any other human being may enjoy. No ring in my nose with a chain attached to some female who restricts me to a second-class status. How unmanly & downright wimpy that would be.
FYI: Jut last night I got a compliment from a lady about my skirt & top. She said that I looked great.
Steven, I have to agree what Dave said: I am an everyday wearer of skirts in all kind in public and at work, never had a problem with. Some compliments, mostly from women once a while, no negative reply so far – since 3 years now.
I think there is no doubt about that boys and men always wore skirts and dresses. Check out: http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/561793926MRPsxT
After that you’ll learn that is no more discussion necessary.
Dagmar, if they learn. In fact, people generally don’t know the skirts are our clothes too, most men have never tried the comfort of a skirt, so I think that discussions have to be continued. If we want to fasten catching on that trend more activity is needed, not less.
My uncle, David Hall was the pioneer in Skirts for Men
http://xuitlacoche.blogspot.com/2010/04/david-hall-pioneer-of-skirts-for-men.html
OK, it was in 1976. Now we have 2010 and almost nothing have changed. I think it’s time to discuss how we can change social attitude to men in skirts and allow men to wear skirts. As I said, the Men’s Skirts Day (or the Men in Skirts Day – sounds better) could be helpful. Men will have an opportunity to try the comfort of skirts by fun and without any suspicions of being weird, gay etc. We must do something to popularize the trend. Otherwise future people in 2076 will show us as pioneers of men’s skirts to prove that men should be allowed to wear these garment. Have You got any other ideas?
I am a cd and love wearing skirts,In fact I’m wearing a med length black one now ,with a slip of course. (white with lacy hems).Not to brag but I have turn eyes and have not but singled out as a male in the public so I must do thing feminine right.Ok bye, LMR
I think it is a great idea! I bought a skirt recently on a lark and wore it a good part my vacation and it was great. It definitely turned heads, but being away I didn’t care. One thing is clear; they are way more comfortable than shorts. [Shame on you girls for keeping this "secret" from us guys all these years!] Now I have two, one long and one short, as the short one is a bit chilly in cold weather.
Lorena, look at the girls You meet on the streets. If You want to be dresses as a woman just wear trousers. Skirts are original men’s garment!
If you are a man trying to pass as being female you are the brunt of many distasteful comments to be sure. My wife seems to have a radar for “fake” women. She explained it once as checking the throat, wrists, shoulders, voice, etc. She really checks the ones in skirts & dresses since biological women such as she is rarely wear anything but pants on a regular basis. It’s like a red warning flag.
In my case everyone knows I am a man. I have never been mistaken for being feminine. Probably never will. As far as being labeled as being gay because I wear skirts all of the time, I usually have my wife beside me who could be recognized as the “real deal” even by a blind man. It does nothing for men to realize that they already have fashion freedom when they see a “female wannabe”. We need positive reinforcements rather than costumed fakes.
My wife also can see (or smell-I don’t know how women can do it) a “fake” woman, but she tolerate it totally. She never would tolerate dressed as a woman on me, I believe – on the other hand I never tried it because I personally do not like it. But wearing skirts and kilts almost all the time – I do it not just is becomes more and more fashion or because its comfortable, I wear skirts regarding health issues with my support stockings.
Yes just wear skirt as it fashion clothes we like to wear – it still nothing do with anything and it not gay as people think as people need to learn the English word what it mean. Im still wearing black tights, denim mini skirt, t-shirt, black denim waistcoat and black suede flat pump shoes that look really nice and very comfortable – been out many times.
I just bought a hiking kilt for men made by Mountain Hardwear. It is the most comfortable garment that I own. If it were more accepted for men to wear kilts/skirts in our culture, I would wear it everywhere; it is really that comfortable.
MG, “if”. Maybe You have some ideas how to change “if” with “is”?
The other day I was just serving around a bit and encountered a site http://www.bestinthecountry.co.uk where they sell a mens waterproof skirt. Clientele in mind are hunters.
There are also special skirts for the drivers of carriages , amongst others during 4 in hand races. I would say that those activities are typically male activities with special skirts!
The basic thought here is that skirts for men will never be as widely acceptable as pants for women until men follow the path taken by women of an earlier generation. If men insist upon waiting for ‘mens’ skirts it will never take place. You won’t see skirts in menswear stores until men in everyday life are wearing skirts as frequently as they are seen wearing pants. I’m doing my part by wearing a skirt as a 100% man doing my normal daily activities. Other gentlemen on this site are doing their part. Our spouses are supporting us. We definitely need to increase our numbers. I speak of comfort as a response to my clothing choices. We must destroy the sexual connotation of clothing. A kilt for men could just as easily be worn by a woman. Just as easily a skirt from the junior size racks will look fantastic on most men.
If this is a war, us guys need to get serious in the battle of total clothing equality.
in my big wardrobe and drawers are full of women style clothes with small size that why im still too slim – still cant wear men clothes -plenty of skirts, jumper mini dress, tights, denim shorts (nice with black tights and pump shoes). That ok for men to wear it – you can see women wear men clothes already included underwear even wear tie at work… so men can wear other ways so that would be equal plus rid of recession problems as well.
I have so much to say on this topic I could write a whole book about, and maybe I will.
There are so many angles and perspectives on the myriad of ways that the issue is so full of crap that I at once have everything to say and am speechless at the same time.
Everyone should be able to wear whatever they want without having to be assumed to be a sexual deviant.
Not everybody looks good in everything. Plenty of females don’t look good in the clothes they choose to wear, why should you apply a blanket statement that all men look either good or bad in a skirt? It’s something on a completely individual level. A person has to dress in a way that suits them.
Clothes are just bits of fabric. The fact that people get so upset about whether or not there is a stitch of thread in a garment separating one side from the other boggles my mind. How can people be so narrow minded and petty?
Skirts were originally men’s garments. So were tights, high heels, and piling on huge amounts of powder and makeup, as well as wigs. It was also a symbol of power to be able to dress that way as it wasn’t cheap.
Check out Louis the 14th, King of France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIV_of_France
Short skirt, tights, high heels, wig, makeup, the works.
So you guys wanting to reclaim skirts but make it be exclusively “macho” are not getting down to the full truth of it.
The full truth of it is that a man should be able to butch up or pretty himself up as much as he wants to. The main reason they don’t is because of a smaller group of hyper homophobic testosterone-overloaded men who enforce the idea that being a man somehow involves what you wear… And here is your choice: Wear standard cut full length jeans, and a t-shirt, or you can wear slacks and a button up shirt. For your leisure clothes, we have oversized versions of those items.
There are tons of blogs right now raising a huge fuss about men that are wearing what they are calling “manpris”. Why does everything have to have “man” in it when men wear it. I have seen “megging” (leggings “for men”), manpurses, this manpris (mid-calf length pants). People are going crazy over how awful it is. Who are these devolved morons that can’t stand for someone with a penis to put on anything but one kind of clothing.
I understand the need to sell regular western macho guys the idea that it’s okay to wear an unbifurcated garment, but there is a certain hypocrisy to saying one kind of skirt is okay and not another. Ultimately a guy should be able to wear anything he wants without the sexual deviant label. In the USA it’s not even safe to be fashion free as a man. You get called very derogatory words that even if you were gay it would still be offensive, and it’s not unusual for groups of wild ape men to assault people who dress differently. There doesn’t need to be a LAW against it because societal opposition to it is so rabid and insane.
All of this makes me so mad because I feel like I’m living on a planet full of complete idiots. It’s refreshing to see the number of intelligent ideas being expressed in these comments.
There are prime examples of hypocritical closed minded evil in comments such as Kats though.
Clothes are so SEXUALIZED in this culture, and sexualization is only allowed for females. Male sexuality is perverse, disgusting, gross, while female sexuality is celebrated and “empowering”. I don’t think males realize how much they’ve been trounced in modern society.
They are nothing but expendable laborers who are allowed no freedom of expression. The brainwashing is so complete that a large contingent of men help to continue this twisted status quo.
Girls like Kat come on here and ask if there are any “real men” left? WTF is a “real” man? Having a penis makes you man, and that’s it. If she’s talking about men who are harry and wear pants, well why can’t she find any, that’s about all there is out there?
I see all the time these comments from women about what men can and cannot wear, and how men have no fashion, etc etc. Men are afraid that having style or fashion is gay. I think dresses, skirts, makeup, everything for men would be designed for men, to suit the male body and to compliment the male form, just as clothing made for females do.
A lot of times in these types of discussions men are always trying to argue about functionality and health and all this stuff, which are all very valid, yet utilitarian points. What about fun, and sensuality? Did your fear-of-transvestite sensor go off when I said sensuality? It just means to feel good. Clothes should make you feel good, they should be nice to wear. There’s no reason that men’s clothing can’t be nice to wear, comfortable, feel good, and all those things. Feeling good in your clothes doesn’t make you mentally ill like some here suggest.
I bet there would be a lot less cases of transvestism and those who feel they are not the right gender if male self-expression was not so completely oppressed. A guy find he likes to wear soft things and garments that aren’t restrictive, and likes the way it looks, he figures he must be screwed up because society is saying only women get to wear those things. So he hides in his house and he’s ashamed of it, he does it in private and maybe even hides it from his wife or whatever. The prohibition of it causes confusion, guilt, shame, etc. None of that would exist if men would just get over the oppression. Men are suckers right now because they’re policing their own oppression.
I don’t have a solution because because I think the public is too idiotic to really change. Until all the TV shows people’s brains are filled with show men wearing skirts, and until skirts and tights and things like that are available in the men’s section of the store, the masses are going to keep it an object of ridicule and objection.. And men who wear skirts will continue to be assaulted by psychopathic lunatics who would injure a person over the shape of the fabrics they put on their body… And they will be accused of being homosexual, or sexual deviants of some disgusting sort.
I saw a couple walk by my house today, a guy and girl holding hands. They each had the EXACT same clothes on. A hoodie with hood over their heads, jeans, and sneakers. The jeans and sneakers and hoodie were the same colors and looked exactly the same on both of the, except the girl’s jeans and hoodie had a slightly more fitted cut. I looked at that and I thought.. Gee, nobody gives a crap about that, but if they were both wearing the same dress, it would be a huge public spectacle and everyone would make a scene about it.
Women who suspect their husbands or boyfriends of being gay or having a psychiatric disorder because they want to wear skirts or anything like that, please go die in a hole you ignorant hypocritical morons.
Men who ridicule and assault other men who choose to wear things that you don’t like, I hope you die and rid this planet of your evil worthless, selfish selves.
On TV there is a commercial for “booty bump”, a product women wear to make their butt look bigger. Men get mocked mercilessly for wearing a wig when they lose their hair, but they also get mocked for being bald. They get mocked for everything, but women can wear fake breasts, fake eyelashes, fake hair, FAKE ASSES, and nobody cares.
All this crap has to stop.
I don’t want to have a war against the sexes, I want equality, and I want a war on ignorant hick idiots who make the world suck by not just living their lives and instead going around making trouble for others. If you don’t like what someone looks like, look away.
Nothing to ad to the last comment, it is just the truth.
Thank you for speaking out clearly what is true and right.
Well Intolerant of Intolerance, well spoken. It reminds me a bit of the book Atlas Shrugded by Ayn Rand.
Furthermore, I noticed recently that in the Netherlands a magazine is launched called “Mannen van Nu” which would I guess translate into Present day Men.
You can find it at http://www.rokvoormannen.nl
Hey KAT: Why would a man not be a man just because he is wearing a skirt or dress? Did women stop being women when they started wearing pants?
An interesting aside: A few weeks ago I wore a skirt on a trip to the mall. I was there about 2 hours, including lunch at the food court. In the entire time I did not see a single woman wearing either a skirt or a dress. So how does anyone get off saying a skirt is “woman’s” wear, anyway?
Yes same as well most women wear jeans and few are wearing skirts so men can wear skirts if want to – no need to be afriad, it still should marked as unisex mean to mixed not by split each women and men own clothes – best to mixed that would save more money in pocket – just now Im wearing Wolford Fatal 50 black tights, white t shirt with grey denim waistcoat, blue denim mini skirt and black suede gladiator flat sandal plus black velvet choker that really look nice fashion when I checked on mirror – nothing wrong with it as it just fancy change that still much better than boring trousers all time so dump trousers and wear skirt more – need more air through the body…
Is there a question that men can’t wear skirts or dresses?
Answer: Check the poll.
So why not just wearing what you want?
Don’t ask anymore, don’t discuss, just do it! That is the way to go – and it will work!
I’ve never thought that it made any anatomical sense that men should wear pants. It’s just easier to not have to “dress to the left- or dress to the right” in pants. Let comfort prevail- and fashion will follow!
A “masculine-feminine” look? Check this interesting
note from another of Cynthia’s web pages:
http://fashion.about.com/od/latesttrends/tp/military.htm
2. Camo Skirt
Gap
I really like the faded print look of this simple straight camo skirt from Gap. It sits below the waist, hits above the knee so it will work on lots of body types. Go for a masculine-feminine look by pairing it with a soft voile blouse or just a simple tee for the weekend.
Seems to be too tight for normal life activities.
Walk across any high school or college campus and you will see men with long hair wearing earrings, nose rings, ear loops and a variety of other status giving devices once deemed to be female. It is not so much a process of becoming more feminine as it is a statement of culture.
To these young people it is more a process of declaring their independence from their parents culture and claiming their own. When I was in Paris I couldn’t help but notice how many men wear the equivalent of Capri Pants and carry man bags or purses depending on what you want to call them. It is no big deal just a minor part of their culture.
So why are skirts different, in many instances they are far more practical and comfortable. As a matter of fact in my opinion if men will never truly be equal to woman until their ego is strong enough that they can wear a skirt down the street without fear of what people will think. I’m all for it but then again guys since you’ve never seen me you have no idea of just what sexy legs I have hidden under these trousers.
Maggie:
1) Pirats etc. used to wear all sorts jewelery. Such can still be found in cultures which are less posh.
2) why, if you claim to have such sexy legs, won’t you show them to the world and let the world decide thereon?
3) Paris like most capitals in Europe has a Culture of its own, what you see there you might see in Nice ansd Amsterdam, but hardly in Lyon, Marseille or even London which is becoming a bit of a trendsetter.
Yes, John, you might be right, not everywhere you’ll see men in skirts or dresses. But if some men would take advantage, there would be a big change coming up. We just have to accept that we are facing a new era with completly different people. Not so fast like you can switch on a light, but it is working.
Check that out, and you’ll see what I mean:
http://newmalefashion.blogspot.com/
There’s a newer kilt maker in America called Kilt This. They make kilts for men and women.
Head to Kilt This.com to check out their kilts!
Speaking of skirts for men, if you go to Midasclothing.com, you’ll see skirts for men there as well as kilts, it’s in the UK, but, it just goes to show you that skirts are coming out for men.
Matthew, their kilts are custom-made. It determinates that are very expensive. I’m waiting for cheap kilts that should appear in chain stores, supermarkets. Some chains offers cheap kilts, but olny in Scotland. IMO they don’t know these could sell outside UK too, but must be in stock and some ads could help.
Strike, I hear ya, but for right now they’re about as low as one can get, at least that I know of, anyway. The one I’m getting was ordered off of ebay, and I went through make offer as well, that’s why it was cheaper for me. The company is basically two people now, but they hire outside help when they can or need it. So it’s basically a startup kilt company, that may be why the kilts are selling cheaper than most, they also recycle as well which cuts cost and they pass that on to the consumer.
But as far as Walmart carrying these things, well, unfortunately it’ll probably be a while before that happens, because consumer demand for kilts is still very small compared to the masses of men wearing pants.
Remember, pants will always have practical uses, like in industrial sectors, because of safety concerns, where a kilt will be a safety hazard because of moving machine parts and the like. I ought to know, because I work around razor sharp metal that’ll slice into a person in half a second!
But, to sum it up, I’m waiting for cheap kilts too.
Maggie, thnx. Indeed interesting but nice on the catwalk, not so for daily use I guess. It would sure evoke comments on the street.
Matthew, indeed the attire used might be dictated by the circumstances and in my opinion such should be the only circumstance.
For all:
The website mentioned under the sponsored links “guys with style” is an infected website.
John, it is only for a catwalk. But it shows clearly the change for men. I came up with that after reading the book “The New Male”, and it is really interesting.
I wish you guys just to keep on with this movement, not just wearing skirts, much more important is to be homest to yourself. What you like you have to do, not hiding.
Maggie, it is only for a fashion show, it means that shows nothing for men. I wondering if You know that Men aren’t interested in what is going with the fashion? Maybe You don’t, however it’s a fact. Thus actions including male models in skirts causes opposite reactions, men are convinced athe trend is only for fashionistas, homosexualists etc. Almost nobody will follow. We need a real men’s skirts for every men to wear instead trousers, not weird coloured, not too feminine, just kilt-like or A-line made of “masculine” patterns for daily use, cheap and available in local stores.
Also we need a wide spread of informations about the medical consequences of wearing trousers.
And at last we should take some actions ourselves to popularize skirts foe men (web activity, some Men’s Skirts Day feasts, concerts or something similar). Shall we stay on this blog’s comment board and wait ’till somebody will do it for us?
Fests of course, not deasts. However if somebody wants to establish Anniversary Men in Skirts Feast, just do it.
And watch the poll, there are almost no opposition on this blog, so it’s time to educate society in other websites.
So let me get this straight Strike, in reference to your post #426.
Are you saying that this may be an underhanded attempt to thwart men’s skirts and/or kilts? Because men will often do the exact opposite of what’s being shown to them? Like reverse Pshycology to prevent something form occuring? Hmmm, very slick conformacy tactic!
Only thing is, (watch out a little common sense here), Homosexuals wear pants, just like straight men/women! Very few Homosexuals, if any, don’t skirts or kilts! Go figure! Those are the facts as I’ve heard them.
Strikemaster, thanks for your response. I am not a big fan of fashion and I don’t know too much about. I am working in the field of males depression since the “Lost Generation”. And so I came to the point of new dressing for men and the new male’s way to live.
Thanks again
Matthew wrote:
“Are you saying that this may be an underhanded attempt to thwart men’s skirts and/or kilts?”
I don’t know if it’s intentional or by the way.
Also wrote:
“Because men will often do the exact opposite of what’s being shown to them?”
Men usually don’t know what is going on the catwalk, so only a few will follow, rest will attempt to stop them. They are afraid that trend.
“Homosexuals wear pants, just like straight men/women!”
You know that, but what about the society? People think if homosexualists are different, have to look different.
A lot of people live in simple black and white world where priest is an incarnation of God, politicians they voted never lie and men wear trousers. They avoid any complications during thinking.
Strike wrote: “You know that, but what about the society? People think if homosexualists are different, have to look different.”
Shoot, that’s just common sense speaking! Of course, I personally am not for the crossdressing thingy, but Dang! Give us men some clothes too! It’s almost understandable why some men do that sort of thing! I mean, EVERYTIME you see one of those fashion show things or whatever, you see women having a wide variety of new and exciting cloths, while for the men, (that’s only if they’re lucky to be included), get nothing more than a shirt and pants that most men wouldn’t be caught dead in, BOOOORRRRINGGG!
Basically saying, Men’s fashion SUCKS big time!
Thing is, a lot of men these days are trying to get women and doing all kinds of bizzare things to get them, including playing gay. I’ve heard of this, trust me on this.
What they don’t realize is that a man wearing a kilt will have a much better chance of getting women than a man in pants! I’ve experienced this myself, no, I wasn’t trying to get laid or anything,(no that didn’t happen either, at least not yet). Anyway, I never had any women looking at me (that I know of) or coming up to me in any pair of pants, but, as soon as I threw on the kilt, well, let’s just say the saying about women loving men in kilts is true! Sure, I got looks and stares, but dang, some of the HOT women were really checking me out! It was sooo surreal, yet almost magical!
Basically, I’m saying that if men are willing to play gay to get women, why not throw on a kilt, act straight and be true about yourself?
Just as topc of interest, an ols law from 1811 applicable for Paris, France has recently been annulled. It prohibited women from wearing pants….
John, but, except Itlay, there’s no law prohibiting men from wearing skirted garment.
strikemaster, so right you are and still as I saw in Times Magazine one has to check the goods prior to obtaining the services of a lady or ‘lady’ along the Via Appia one has to check the goods…
times don’t change. Peter Tinker of Northampton UK for breaching the anti social Behaviour order bij showing his legs whilst wearing a skirt!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/northamptonshire/8665203.stm
After reading this article I only can say: Welcome in the stone-aged …… community.
And so? I think we all know society is not educated about the men in skirts. Why? Because we do almost nothing to change the situation. There’s only a few websites showing our demand and arguments, topic doesn’t exist at the mainstream social discussions. Do You think somebody will do it for us?
Notice there are many organisations made to help women in similar situations and almost none supporting men.
And there’s question if he was sentenced for wearing a skirt or exposing his genitals (lifting things from the ground in miniskirt may cause it)? This article doesn’t answer.
@Martinus, it seems Hope Alexander likes to cut my posts so I do answer You here.
Pants off days? I didn’t notice such days, so could You say something about it?
Men’s skirt day as a fun? Of course, men will have fun wearing unusual clothes. Meanwhile some of them discover a skirt is very comfortable, easy in handling (if is not too short), allows temperature adjustment. Also their wives, GF and neighbours will see there’s nothing wrong with men in skirts.
Notice the only skirted men that huge part of society have seen or heard about are transvestites trying to pass as women. Some of them will change their minds if saw manly men in skirts. Manly and well known to them in many cases.
I read website promoting May 1st as a Men in Skirts Day, but site is now expired and meanwhile new term was announced. 15th is better, is a normal workday and give an opportunity to go skirted to workplace, mall etc.
And at last, as You can see in article linked above, ther are some restricions.
Hi strikemaster – yes, pant’s off days we have had for two years in row now. Just in bigger cities, but 3 major countries were involved: USA, Australia and England (not whole UK). It was around March 2009 and in April 2008; people took off pants, men wore just underwear or used skirts, women did the same. Whereever they where, subway or on streets, you could see it even in TV. It was managed from some young guys in Australia.
Yes, I heard also May 15th as a men skirts day. Well I’ll go in a skirt for work, this day like everyday.
Hi Martinus, THX for info.
Unfortunately, I won’t go kilted to workplace. My boss knows nothing about the men’s skirts and reaseons to wear these. I think the economic crisis is not the right moment for considering him.
Hey guys, if you dare, you can do as women did when women as for wear pants otherwise you really are disgusting to wear it because the public will not accept once and for all. It’s useless to say in this comment. Go ahead to make demonstrate to wear the skirt if you dare like women did.
Strange and disgusting guys if you still keep going on wear it because the sociality will not accept forever.
Think about it before you do it
Look at this article : http://www.thorninpaw.com/mt/archives/000230.html
Eventhought they march and protest to wear the skirt but they still failed to change the sociality so don’t expect too much to be accepted to wear it. it won’t that happend forever. If you brave, do the march much more 200 men to go to white house or anywhere otherwise it’s useless to leave comment in here. Like my wife said it’s disgusting a men wear skirt ( a men must wear pant not skirt).
John, I knew about this march before.
I think Ypour wife is afraid You’ll try pass as woman or You’ll be laughted. There are a lot of people who think the same about the skirts for men. Our task is to show them they’re wrong.
Are You sure they failed? The social attitude to men’s skirts is changing (not as fast as some of us expected, but it’s a fact). Why not faster? Just before some of You do nothing except lament as herd in posts above. I repeat my question: why not enter the mainstream social websites with this topic?
March to the White House?
Here You have former US president:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkBgWT091xw
And ther’s another thing. Look at the picture in linked article, some men wore high heels. What for? I think shoes that kind causes extreme discomfort and also are connected with feminity. If You want to use makeup, high heels just go to the websites for crossdressers. We must show the society (and John’s wife too) that skirts for men have nothing common with crosdressing. IT’S JUST RETURN TO TRADITIONAL MEN”S CLOTHES!
And don’t look at fashion designers. They have no interest to popularize skirted garment through male population. They just need to get to newspapers. To achieve their goals they are ready to ridicule the trend by showing male models in pink mini dresses.
John said:
“Strange and disgusting guys if you still keep going on wear it because the sociality will not accept forever.”
Notice I don’t live in USA. Some of You said the boss told You “it’s free country”, in some countries management prefers words: “you’re fired”.
And I’m not going to leave this comment board.
Please note that the John under 441 and 442 isn’t the same as under 434 and 433.
Strike, this is the type of conformacy that’s a tyranical stronghold over men. Because you’re a man with an appendage between your legs, you’re considered sooo wrong if you wear anything that’s not pants. This is call trouser tyranny! Some poor souls are doomed to it, some, like us, say screw you to society.
And which John is under 444?
Notice that John number 441 to 442 told us that men must be brave and confident to wear skirted garment. Next he laments he is not allowed to go skirted. Has he got an internal conflict?
Matthew, yes, I know what is trouser tyranny and I fight against it as I can. Men have sexual organs between the legs so are obligated to crush these by using trousers. If more folk notice it’s an ultimate nonsense, trouser tyranny will disappear. Problem is how to get through to their minds.
John 444 = John 434 and previous profiding this answer whilst wearing a skirt
Selfishness is the main reason for any reluctance to join the skirted world of men.
The selfishness of wives and partners mainly.
They are thinking of themselves when they say ‘no’…they don’t want to be embarrassed…they don’t want folk to think they’ve married a ‘weirdo’.
I’ve even heard of someone who’s wife employed professional help to sort out her husband’s ‘problem’ of wanting to wear skirts after he learned through forums like this that his was not a ‘problem’ but a legitimate choice shown by many other straight males like him.
Marriage is about give and take.
He gives her flowers to keep her sweet, and in return for that kindness she takes away his freedom of choice. How familiar is that scenario?
It used to be called ‘under her thumb’. I don’t think I’ve ever heard the expression ‘under ‘HIS’ thumb’ much.
Because this is a domestic issue, the oppressive discrimination of the female partner towards her loved one isn’t considered to be seriously politically incorrect, but it most certainly should be…everyone is allowed some justice.
And for most men, the phobia of looking effeminate, and therefore daring not to get involved with a skirted choice of garment, all comes down to the collective selfishness of society, who only approve that which they personally consider to be correct. Luckily this only occurs in pockets of animosity – certain towns, cities, or counties which have no real future when it comes to healthy lateral thinking.
So any show of individuality is frowned upon, or mocked. ‘Diverse’ needn’t be a dirty word. It can simply mean a different path towards contentment.
I never married, thank God.
But I have friends…many good friends, male and female, who have accepted my choice of kilts and skirts. There has been no interference in trying to quosh this preference.
Recently I wore a skirt to a meeting of both male and female presence – about twenty of us. The skirt was from Midas and, I think their smartest for not trying to look too trendy…the front inverted pleated a line one. It wasn’t in any way queried and I felt cool and confident. I also felt like a hero for having the guts to be that outward going, which I think even surprised myself!
It was liberation with one heck of a feel-good high about it.
And I wish that level of contentment, whether now or as a future goal, to all who are gathered here.
If you are ‘under the thumb’ may I suggest leaving a few printouts around the house from forums like this. Don’t keep it bottled up or you’ll pop your cork.
March to the White House?
Here You have former US president:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkBgWT091xw
It’s kilt not skirt as women wear usually and kilt more expensive and heavy (not comfortable)
eventhought the former president didn’t wear the real skirt (just kilt) so the society still refuse it until now, he..he.
my wife said man who wear the women skirt must be a sissy and disgusting.
@John449: please do ensure to differentiate so our comments will be recognised as being from different persons.
In your last comment you expressed your wifes opinion. What is your own opinion. Such you may ventilate on this and other fora concerning this subject. What does your wife wear? Leggings (formerly know as Long Johns), boots (cowboy or pirate style, low heeled?), jeans??? All previously know as garments for men. Why is her opinion a guideline for you?
@ somedaysaskirt: my wife indicated in first instance she would like it if I would wear a skirt, she would even buy me a kilt she indicated as well as she asked me to wear one of het lace panties (tickelish, not my cup of tea), thereafter she when to a psychiatrist for herselves and she was referred to a relationtherapist where she stated that it was my fault as I would be a transvestite. Thereafter she filed for devorce (2.5 years ago and still lawsuits going on). NB she is ill and had a chemo treatment just prior to the escalation. If we would have been living in France as was once our intention, she would not have gbeen allowed to file for devorce as she would be considered non compos mentis due to the treatment.
She wore my shirts and, socks, her own leggings and boots, hence a double standard. According to a psychiatrist who has met her outside a professional setting, she would be a grave case. After having read 2 feet of relationship/problem etc. books, I do have to concur with the opinion of the last psychiatrist.
As is written by Jurg Willi in the book the Partner relation, there are many women dominating men. We all are familiar with the subject of domestic violance, mostly seen as physical violance. The question rises in how far is mental violance used by mostly women like unconsented domination a form of domestic violance.
As I indicated to the shrink of my wife: a whip, thight leather garments and high heels would have suited her personallity well.
After having read the previous mentioned books I had to conclude that those who lead a sm lifestyle, are doing one thing much better than most other couples, being that they talk with each other about one and anothers feelings and needs and there is more equality in the end than one would see in first instance as the one considered submissive is in the end the most dominating person as (s)he holds the key in the form of a “stop”word.
John449, kilt is a kind of skirt. Word “kilt” is taken from Old Scandinawian where means nor more, not less just a skirt.
Also it’s not a traditional kil, it’s the Utilikilt, modern variation about kilt, made of cotton. However I agree, is too expensive.
…and the silence has come.
It seems You do not agree the society must be educated about the reasons that skirts are better for men? Or maybe You’re afraid to be taken as gay people or weirdoes?
I suggested more discussions about the men’s skirts are needed. Some of You wear skirts in public, some haven’t got that courage or live in more repressive social enviroment. However notice, people don’t know the reasons to change male’s wardrobe even watching You skirted.
Are You interested in men’s skirts spread or just want to be unique (notice it’s against men’s health and equality of the sexes)? I think every man has to have right to wear skirted garment and to achieve that goal the topic must reach mainstream websites (not as freaky fashion but as a real demand).
Skirtmaster, how do you want to get this topic to mainstream websites to start of with, isn’t it the intention that one should be able to enter a shop with male garmenst and selecht the skirt one likes? Hence I guess that what we have seen what happened after the announcement of H&M that they would carry a skirt for men, the directors of H&M should be informed of the interest and also interest in respect of more styles. Basically what is needed is more presas coverage and keeping it in the focus till the moment people consider it as an ordinairy way of living and not a deviant life style. I guess that lots of water will pass the bridge in the mean time.
John 432 – not necessarly – men do not need more presas coverage – more men just need to go out and show up what they want and what they like.
Showing up in a skirt men doing two things: Symbolically show that skirts are original a male’s garment, practically for men’s health and comfort.
If men would go in ‘typically’ Men’s stores and asking for skirts – and as often as possible = that would make a difference. Ignoring a demand in public is hard to follow, but i am just missing the men which would go with it.
May 15th; I was looking for some other men in skirts – believe me, I couldn’t find any, I was the only one in our area. Everybody admires it, saying that looks terrific, giving compliments, shaking hands, but no other man was coming up with the same idea – just wearing a skirt or kilt.
Re May 15th.
I was on a charity walk on Saturday 15th May for Breast cancer in Scotland. It is a 10 (or 20) mile sponsored walk mainly done by women but there were quite a few men there as well. I walked the 10 mile route. Most of the people on the walk wore a pink tee-shirt (it is called the Pink Ribbon walk)
A few wore kilts, I saw one man wearing luminous pink cycling shorts (!!) but I chose to wear a denim mini skirt with the pink T-shirt.
I did not try and look feminine in any way – just acted as though I had shorts on. The reactions from the marshalls, helpers and other walkers was positive in the extreme.
Many gave a thumbs-up or clapped, others said “Like the outfit” One said “Man in a skirt. WOW! Cool” I heard no dissenting voices at all even though I was probably the only one in an obvious skirt (other than a kilt)
On the few other times I have worn a skirt outside, I have not had any adverse reaction – in fact, it seems indifference is the norm as though they do not even notice. There have been some sidelong glances but no comment or laughter.
It has encouraged me to wear it again in the future – without the pink T though!
More men should do it and see for themselves.
Martinus, the method you describe isn’t very original, it’s the same method as uswed by Heinekien in order to market the beer in the US.
May 15th didn’t get much attention in the old wold due to the financial problems of Greece, hitting the headlines all the time.
Yes I know, it isn’t a special method to encourgae men to wear skirt because it isn’t a method. It is only what I did actually, but thinking about a saying of a female founder of a school in U.S.A. in 1862 said: “Times change, and we must change, too, and modify our views”.
So, i always think if men would be able to change something, they could do, and should do it. And all starts in and with the brain -.
We are finally back to the main problem of men.
It seems like most everybody on this site is okay with a man in a skirt. What about a man in pantyhose? I have not had the courage to openly do this. I wear them under my khakis to meetings sometimes. I have loved pantyhose since I was 6 years old. I always thought there was something wrong with me. My wife has been very supportive, but she said she would be uncomfortable going out in public with me if I wore pantyhose openly. I know some of you wear tights, but do you think that pantyhose on a man are okay? The reason I ask is because they are thinner. Do you think pantyhose are more feminine than tights? Thanks for the feedback! And yes I do shave my legs. This is something I just recently started doing.
Skirtedman, I guess that such should be OK if you feel comfortable therewith. Acceptance by your wife is important also, wouldn’t want you to be in the same hassle as I was confronted with.
Just look back in history and you will see that the origin is also a mens garment as often pictured in Florentine paintings of the 11th and 12th century.
Also Leggings should be OK if such is your cup of tea as they are only Long Johns without flyopening…
Most important part is to ensure thta the total picture is still a man standing there. I saw somewhere a num,ber of pictures of a man propagating the skirt as male attire, but the total picture is basically a woman without tits (Long curly hair, sweaters and such which would suit a lady of 60+, blouses and sleefless tops etc).
If I would go outside in skirt in day time – the area is a bit conservative – than I would opt for a combination of loafers, pantyhose/thights in the same color as shoes, skirt in matching colour, shirt and tie, (tweed)jacket.
Pantyhose in summer? Why? They are warm in cold weather. Another reason to be sweating & miserable during summer weather. A miniskirt with bare legs makes much more sense during the warm days. It is all about comfort. Get the razor or better yet, the epilator, since hairy legs are ugly as well as being an obstacle to cool comfort when the temperature gets hot.
Never, ever wear anything just because women do. You are a man aren’t you? That goes for spike heels & pantyhose. Comfort is easy to sell to everyone, including your wife. Keep it real dude! Yes, I am a miniskirt, t-shirt & sandal guy when the weather allows.
I agree that pantyhose in the summer is crazy. Applies to men and women equally. As far as shaving goes, that seems like a particularly feminine thing (maybe this is just my prejudice). I don’t shave as I am not specifically trying to look like a woman. Likewise, no jewelry, makeup, etc. To anyone that says you need to shave to wear a short skirt I ask: Does a man need to shave to wear shorts? What is the difference? As an aside, on my last trip I discovered I could easily shorten my skirt a good 3-4 inches, depending on where I was which was lots of fun. Something all teenage girl are well acquainted with, I am sure.
Dave, I think some of us might like to know how you wear a miniskirt as far as sitting down goes. And what length you have to stop at for reasons of modesty. I have mini skirts which I wear in the house, but because of the extra cargo that women don’t have, their use would look disgracefully vulgar in public unless I stay standing – which is just a bit inconvenient at times. Sitting cautiously in a feminine cross-legged way isn’t what guys are about, and I’m not into pantyhose or the like. Just a masculine fellow with skirts and briefs.
Wearing a mini must be the ultimate in coolness and attitude, but I can’t see it working. What’s your secret?
I shave strictly as a matter of comfort. Hair is hot. I won’t look like a woman no matter what I do. A man shouldn’t have to be hairy especially during the summer since shaving of the body is restricted to women. That sounds like the same old argument that a man can’t wear a skirt because he would be doing something that women do. Women brush their teeth too, but that doesn’t stop me from doing so. Women drive automobiles, so does that mean that I can’t drive since I am a man? Not really a convincing argument. Get out the razor & get comfortable.
Length. Depends. The 12 inch ones are worn below the waist. You don’t bend from the waist to pick up an object from the floor. Keep your feet together when sitting but don’t even think of crossing the legs since that will crush the man stuff big-time. You are correct in that a short skirt on a guy is approaching the ultimate comfort zone. Many times you are seated at a table so skirt length isn’t a modesty issue. You will find that even a really short skirt covers more than you may think when seated since the fabric in the front comes from the waist rather than following the contour of your torso. Don’t forget that matching the color of your briefs to the color of your miniskirt is a very good idea.
It works. It’s comfortable. Try it – you’ll like it.
Dave, You like to have shaved legs, OK, it’s not my bussiness. But, fortunately You can’t force me to do the same. I have hairy legs, it’s natural nad I don’t want to change it. I have no reasons to do that.
Yes, short skirt, especially worn without underwear is extremely comfortable in hot weather. However we do not live in Ancient times, when exposing male’s private area was common and normal. So I suggest to wear longer ones.
Pantyhose? What for? In summer is too warm and causes the same medical effect as trousers do. In winter? Maybe, but heavy kilt is very warm, too warm to wear anything under even when is freezing.
You know what I dislike about these forums is that nobody addressed exactly what I said. you all went on your tangents and rabbit trailed everything. I never mentioned wearing pantyhose when it is hot. I agree that is crazy. At least for my part of the country it is still spring and very unseasonably cool. I live in the Northwest and typically summer arrives after July 4th.
As far as shaving my legs, its the best thing I decided to do. Male bikers and swimmers have been doing it for years. I am into swimming and running. For years, leg hair has bothered me especially in the summer time. I don’t like itchy, sweaty legs with hair on them. I am still fully a man and am not even close to being a woman.
As far as those of you looking down on me for the pantyhose, I will never figure out why a guy wears ear rings. Hosiery is very comfortable and soothing, but one can’t just buy anything. I suggest Silkies or Calvin Klein. Maybe that’s why women aren’t wearing them because they buy the cheap kind of pantyhose. I have read testimonials of prominent men on WallStreet who wear pantyhose under their suit pants.
I have been blessed with wearing skirts this past year. It is healthier and less restrictive. I just don’t know if I can do it in public because the material I like to wear is thin and doesn’t fully cover up the private area. Yes I could wear something underneath to fix that, but that would defeat the whole purpose of comfort.
I am sure I will be criticized for what I have said today. You know if we men keep beating up on each other, wearing skirts or pantyhose openly will never happen as mainstream.
You all must be lucky have the ability to choose, wearing pantyose or leave it in the drawer.
I don’t have this choice because I have to wear it every time. They come in two “exciting” colors only: suntan and black. I shave my legs because with stockings and hair on legs I could’nt make it.
Sometimes I got strange views wearing pantyhose when we had 92 degrees last year.
Wearing a skirt in the USA without proper undergarments may be comfortable; however, it may get you a police record when you are forced to register as a sex offender. A gust of wind. An awkward moment getting out of your car or truck. Then you may have a police record for the rest of your life. A slip, trip or a fall. Again, in the USA it simply isn’t worth the risk to ever wear a skirt without proper undergarments. You will not see a short skirt on the tennis court without a panty nor will you see anyone twirling on the dance floor without a panty. While a skirt is comfortable, especially a miniskirt, proper underwear is mandatory to avoid a court date.
Yes, it may be natural to be as hairy as an ape. I did not realize how comfortable a smooth male body can be. As a result I will leave the hair to the primate cages. You have a right to forgo true comfort if you wish.
I prefer a long wool or flannel skirt in cooler weather in lieu of the pantyhose. Kills the wind & conserves body heat. A long coat will also work well, even over a miniskirt. I own several tall boots that I wear under the long skirts to fight winter weather. Lots of choices.
You know Dave, you seem to have all the answers don’t you? If you read what I said carefully, you would conclude that I am not wearing a skirt publicly in the first place and probably never will.
Not that I support nudity, but it isn’t against the law to walk the street with nothing on so long as you keep to yourself. What’s up with the police record talk? Are you going to have a police record if your butt crack shows? How many women have I seen have that happen to let alone men.
You get in trouble with the law when you force yourself on someone else. That’s when you get in trouble. I am sorry to stomp on your parade, but I am tired of you being a know it all when you obviously don’t know it all!!!
May I add another thing. How does someone become a sex offender for not wearing proper undergarments? Are you kidding? This sound like a totalitarian government not the USA.
Those are pretty harsh conclusions that you make, Dave. There are many people men and women who would be in trouble if what you are saying is true.
I don’t need to worry about this because I am very careful how I dress in public.
Unless I am crazy, a sex offender is one who violates somebody else’s body. Where did you get the idea that it is anything else.
What you are talking about is indecency and unmodest dressing. This is certainly distasteful but not a crime.
Think about it! like you like to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wear kilts mostly without underpants. And I guess many women, with the police included, assume none are worn more often than not. Not that they’d ever want to check for such best kept secrets of course!
Martinus, I know You wear stockings for medical cause, ther’s nothing wrong with You. I don’t like to be forced to do it by phrase “men, if wear skirts must…” appeared on some discussions about the skirts for males. Men wore skirts by millenias (even miniskirts like Ghauls, Romans) without tights and shaved legs, also wear shorts with hairy legs. What’s the difference in leg’s look between shorts and the same lenght skirt?
About US regulations, I see some of You noticed United States in police country. There’s no underpants regulations in Europe. Why there are no protests against these stupid laws? That regulation means people can become sex offenders obliviously, at any time. It’s injustice against both men and women which needs to be changed.
In America you do not have to touch anyone to be required to register a sexual offender.
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0
Indecent exposure is all that it takes, especially if there are children in the vicinity of the incident. Notice on the referenced web site for my neighborhood, only a very small percentage, actually touched another individual. As you see from the web site, the whole world, including your relatives & your boss, know that you are branded for life as an undesirable person. A gust of wind may have placed some of these people on the offender list. Never forger the undergarments!
Europe is much more relaxed regarding public nudity or even a brief flash of the genitals than is the case in the USA. Certain southern states seem to have a murder sentence that is not that more than an indecent exposure sentence. Does that make sense? Not to me it doesn’t. Some states even ban nudity on pay cable channels such as HBO or Showtime. Go figure. It is clearly not worth the risk to go leave home without the undergarments.
Shaving is totally a matter of comfort. Hairy is not comfortable for many, myself included. I never knew until I shaved from the neck downward toward the toes.
Strikemaster, I’m going with you because I can’t stay with a saying “men in skirts must……”. Even shaving legs must be in hand of everybodies feeling and taste.
I wear my skirtsin length to kneeor little above, I would like wearing shorter ones, too, but I didn’t do it so far because thinking about that it could be wrong. Maybe I should try it.
This is very alarming! I drive truck and sometimes I’ve got to get out and go. I try to find privacy but it’s not always possible. So far I have been lucky, and no one has spotted me going the bathroom. I just can’t imagine being labeled a sex offender for something so stupid and bizarre.
What is our country coming to?
Skirtmaster,
Looking from abroad the US ahs a total different image than when you live there. On one side very liberal in relation to sex, founders of playboy, hustler etc. but at the same time stringent rules in respect of the same matters. Also the “policing of the world” is not always the best thing to do whilst one has etc. but now I’m skirting the issue
When I get the time when I’m home, I run one of our local trails. I checked with our police dept. They said that in order to be a sex offender one must touch another. At least where I live one can’t be charged with that for what one has on or doesn’t have on. I asked if I was seen going the bathroom on the trail would I be a sex offender?
The answer an affirmative no! At best I could be charged with indecency but only if it could be proven to have been done on purpose.
I don’t know what is going on in other parts of the USA, but it sound like too much control. So far I guess the NorthWest hasn’t caught up. Thank goodness!
Nowhere in USA a person can be charged for wearing different clothes, and skirts doesn’t have anything to do with sex-offenders. There must be a mix-up regarding the terminology.
Police sometimes asking men when wearing a skirt for what purpose, but never they can charge or ticket a man wearing a skirt or dress. We have very clear rules for that.
Sometimes it could be a problem in a public place when a special event goes on. It is still not allowed to use a public bathroom for opposite sex, even you’ll see women using men’s bathroom more often than the opposite way.
No wonder that a lot of truckers using skirts during driving because they know and feel exactly the difference between a pair of pants and a skirt for long distance driving.
Thanks Mara. You know I am getting the feeling that women are not nearly as judgmental on this subject as men. Thanks for backing me up on the legal issue. I can’t believe that someone can become a sex offender by just wearing supposedly the wrong thing or not enough of something.
If this was the case, how much more censorship would there be?
Maybe the garment wouldn’t be long enough or the right color. It’s pretty crazy to think that the law would even care.
Now of course on television we have decency laws and we censor carefully. When it comes to individual freedoms I still believe that our country grants us rights as long as we are keeping to ourselves and not trying to purposely cause a problem to someone else.
It is absurd to think that if one’s skirt(male or female) flew up because of wind that the person would now be labeled a sex offender. Very absurd and irrational. I agree with Mara that maybe we have a terminology problem. I think the men on this forum need to get some rational thinking going here. I think that they are living scared. For myself I know that I don’t want anyone to see my private area exposed.
The other day I changed clothing in my truck, and if someone was in the wrong spot at the wrong time I might have been seen. Again I wasn’t trying to be seen, but sometimes it can’t be helped. It’s kind of like having to go the bathroom while running or hiking. You try to find privacy. For women this is much harder. Are we going to label a woman a sex offender because we saw her pull down her garment and go the bathroom out there somewhere.
A friend of mine and his wife went cross country skiing and his wife had to go. She got about half way into what she was doing and someone came around the corner and saw her. Obviously she was embarrassed but what could she do expect maybe urinate her pants. It is ridiculous to think that one could become a sex offender over such ridiculous things.
Skirtman, indeed many are scared to shom their individuality. Such due to social conditioning. Most difficul;t part is that double standards are used and at times arguments are used by some who are not willing to look further that the knowledge provided by their elders and peers. An example at http://yeahshesaidit.com/2010/01/24/skirts-are-not-for-men/ where a Christine remains referring to the bible after things had been clarified from historical perspective.
John 432; Reading this article from Christine I come to that point that she only says that men and women should not wear the SAME clothes, which could mean, men should not share the same clothes with women(perhaps). Skirts worn by men were never touched negative by her comment. I might be wrong, but I try always to read from different perspectives.
Herby, the problem is that we can’t ask the auther of the text what he intended. Hence we can have a full discourse on the interpretation of that specific piece of text. The way one wants to interpret that text would provide also an idea as what his look on life is. Basically the discussion going on is being the question as to whether one is board- or narrow minded, a trendsetter or follower, or maybe even following an old trend, whether or not to “shock” others with ones own preferances.
Back to the issue, if one takes the point that neither gender is allowed to wear the same garments as the other gender, how to deal with all those women wearing jeans and cowboyboots as a fashion statement and stating at the same time that men are not allowed to wear skirts? Isn’t there something wrong somewhere?
John 432, I think there is nowhere a law or restriction by law what men have to wear.
Broad-minded people are the majority everywhere, but sometimes we listen to the single, little narrow-minded what they say. Of course, we can’t ask the author what he intended with his question/comment. But believe me, as more men wearing different clothes as more supporter men will have.
Some people call me “rebel” because I wear what I want, skirt long or short (mostly with hat or cap), go shopping when wearing stockings with a short skirt, evening in a floor-length skirt, visit a museum in a kilt, next day I am in jeans…. depends how I am feel. And nobody never had a bad comment.
So, I want to say that there is nothing wrong somewhere, it is our brain, our head which plays sometimes a game with us.
Herby, indeed it’s partially between the ears, but also the peer pressure of the society surroundng us. What might be possible in NY, won’t be taken for granted in the mid west territories or the biblebelt.
That reminds me of the Deutrimonium text. It is cited by various as “same”clothing. The text of Deutriominium 22:5 is: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on woman’s garments: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God (kings James version 1962). Afetr having compared the text with the owrding in other languagues, it means not “the same clothing” but apparel worn by the other gender.
Under 11 it is stated that one shall not wear garments of divers sorts as woolen and linen together. A practice not only abolished by many but due to new manufacturing methods even common practice. Also one would be required to wear fringes on the cornes of ones vest. Etc. Hence if one wants to refer to one item of deutrimonium, that one should take into account also the other directives; if not than one should be silent.
And is paragraphs like how to deal with a wife not being a virgin upon the day of marriage than the woman could be stoned (note the Shari’a which the Moslims want to bring back into our – western- culture) Deutrimonium 22:21.
In my opninion, those who want to cite the Bible should do so completely or should refrain from doing so if they only want to use these parts of the text that suits them under circumstances.
So basically we should realise that this canonicle law has had its time, eventhough the remark concerning ones liability for real estate is still in line with present law.
Dave432, what I am saying is nothing else than I wear what I want, but I do not wear my wife’s clothes. That is my understanding of the bible-text Deutrimonium. On the other hand my wife bought the same kilt like I got before, some kind shorter, that’s all. No change in apparel to mine but it still her kilt. I am living in “Mid-West” (it is not in the mid nor west -Michigan) and I don’t have any problems with people here, only very friendly comments.
One more thing: In the time the bible were written no pants were existent at all. So I do not feel guilty wearing a skirt, and I do not try to find an excuse why I am doing it. I just feel free to act like I want.
The subject of this column has a wide sphere of possible interpretation.
I’m sure Cynthia Nellis’s original sentiment of the subject of male skirt wearing, by showing Marc Jacobs in a man’s skirt was about the weird or wonderful idea of wearing male skirts. Not female skirts.
As male skirt wearers tend to speak their mind aggressively on forums such as this, without a lot of time for anti-skirt lobbyists, not surprisingly it’s drawn in the wearing of any skirts, female or not. None of which is a crime…
…but female clothing products can hardly be a seriously taken main adoption if men en masse are to move forward with any notion that a skirt is an intelligent extra clothing choice, and verbal duelling, bible in hand or not, about whether a man should or shouldn’t wear female skirts is neither here nor there. I don’t think it has anything to do with the larger picture.
The subject of this column, I believe, is about skirts made for men. I don’t think it even involves kilts particularly, as it’s a bit late in the day to question this traditional male garment, which I have a dozen of.
I will support male skirt makers far more than women’s skirt makers. Not to do so is shooting in the foot any future hope of there being a wider choice of product.
Indeed. the questiom whether or not a man can wear a skirt. I do think the bias and the historical clarification of the protests should be made clear so all aspects are covered.
The essence at present is can a man wear a skirt or not and if not why not. Bearing in mind the trends shown on the catwalk one could say that it will become more acceptable. Right now the most important part is that acceptance by peers is the first hurdle to take. And if one appreciates the comfort than such is the most essential.
All this biblical talk against men wearing skirts causes me to wonder if we read the same bible. Does anyone out there really think Christ cares about what we wear? His message seems pretty clear; what counts is what is in our hearts and not what we look like, how much money we have, what we wear, or whatever.
As far as miniskirts are concerned, I love them in the summer and yes, I always wear underwear. However, I draw the line at pantyhose, as they are uncomfortable and serve no purpose in warm weather. Now I certainly don’t deliberately try to see how much I can show, but I also am not paranoid about my underwear showing occasionally, as many women are. I sit, I stand, and I do whatever else I need to do. If somebody is watching me constantly, just waiting to see if my underwear will ever show, well, guess what; I am sure it does on occasion. Big deal. Its clean.
Jesus never wore pants. No other man of that period in that part of the world did either. Greek & Roman soldiers went into battle wearing a miniskirt. Women do not insist on wearing “women’s” clothing since it seems that they wear whatsoever they may choose to wear. Why then should any man insist in establishing a gender distinction for skirts? Most junior size skirts will fit a man just fine. Get a durable fabric with belt loops & lots of pockets. About ten dollars or less? No problem. The label is but a small spot of fabric. Why pay dearly for a label? Most of my miniskirts are so generic looking that I could exchange the label with no one being any wiser. Really short skirts such as skirted swim suit bottoms make modesty a 100% sure thing.
Why do men feel for even an instant that they will start having a monthly menstrual cycle unless they wear “men’s clothing? Women don’t have that mental hangup. Why do men?
Yes, some of us may feel truly liberated by wearing women’s skirts. Maybe just one in 100,000 do. The actual figures of adoption will never exist as we KNOW that most men wouldn’t be seen dead in a woman’s skirt.
So why do we insist on making out it’s the best deal for us? Cheaper, plenty of styles to choose, etc, etc. Yes, of course it’s a cheaper way to go. But it will always be just a compromise.
Why should men be settling for shared use of the opposite gender’s clothing? Are our desires that worthless not to be catered for in some reasonable way with our own?
Who cares what women wear of men’s clothes. Womens’ nature is that they are quirky about what they wear. It’s accepted as part of their fashion culture. A good few powerdress in a manlike way to deliver a more authoritive image in business. Very few men dress in full women’s clothing to deliver a sexy opposite image. But women do that too. They do it all, and are masters (or should I say mistresses) of the quick change of image. We aren’t.
Men don’t naturally follow much of a trend of dressing to kill, except a million years ago when we donned a fur skin skirt and went out with a handy club to thump the head of a passing deer.
How delightfully masculine.
Thankfully the bear skins are done with now, but we still wear clothes from menswear stores chosen with painful tedium. The majority of us always will do until the good Lord invites us up for a very long holiday with him.
Why cannot there be in our menswear stores a range of male skirts in the future – if, as we say, skirts for men are so brilliant? Which they are.
It’s easy to keep on saying ‘I wear womens’ skirts all the time…sometimes daringly short miniskirts; my nickers might show at times but I don’t really give a toss as I rung them through yesterday. I can’t understand why other men have a problem with doing the same?’…
…I don’t believe this world of fantasy some people live in.
These are remarks from lone female skirt wearers in a vast sea of men who will never be attracted to wearing women’s skirts.
Never.
For them to enjoy the same kind of garment -if we are actually promoting a big resounding ‘YES – men DO look wonderful in skirts!!! And they DO feel wonderful!!!’, then it’s necessary to promote male skirts as being the legitimate item of clothing.
Womens’ skirts, though OK for a few, have to be a dead end route.
Wearing a male skirt adds some intrigue as to what they might feel like to wear. And because it’s a male item of clothing it’s even more sensational to those who haven’t even heard of them. We don’t all live on the internet, reading volumes of men-in-skirts stuff.
I have had a lot of enjoyment so far extolling the virtures of the male skirt to seriously interested colleagues. They might not take up on it themselves, but at least I wasn’t seen as trying to convert anyone to cross dressing.
‘No, it’s not a kilt, it’s a skirt from the highstreet. You might give one a try and start to give your most valuable assets a holiday, instead of jamming yourself inside jeans all the time.’
How much easier is that scenario to follow than promoting a saucy little number from Dolly Daydreams Boutique with, if you’re in the right mood for it, just the merest glimpse of undies?
I’d like to make it clear I’m not shooting down any particular person’s opinions here, other than those which are always generic of skirtmen forums such as this.
Any way of wearing skirts is acceptable in my book.
But the ideal which could really mean any great change in the way we men use and benefit from skirts has to be better than just a few demonstrating the balls to wear a skirt from the ladies department, and expecting everyone else to want to copy them.
But please carry on if you think it will work.
Davy, I only tried to put matters into perspective as to where the much used no-go concerening men wearing a skirt came from.
As previously indicated the bible text was derived from roman law. In de late 19th century it was tranformed into a psychiatrict thing for both genders, now it is just a one way road according to many. If a resriction is lifted for one gender so should it be for the other.
Hence women have taken the liberty of wearing pants thus…
As the are only few typiucal male desinged skirts, like the hunting, the and goth equestrian skirt, one has to refer to the ladies department en find the front zipper right handed skirts, some which is already discussed previously. The length depends on ones taste.
Jinh, trousers are original women’s garment, so women just returned to their roots. And guess, what is the historical and forced by our anatomy garment we should wear down from waist?
I agree that men won’t wear women’s skirts at mass just becouse are made for women (but in fact there are some other reasons couses men’s skirts are better for men). I don’t want to wear garment prepared for females. I’ve never tried these, so You may call I’m prejudiced. Maybe I am, I don’t care. I’m waiting for the moment when clothing companies will open for that (trend?, no, just return to health and comfort) and will offer wide range of skirts for men. Unfortunately it won’t happen this year (nor next couple of years), the demand in real world is too weak, also websites are too silent.
What please, is a WOMENS’S skirt? I think you are discussing in a cricle. Women originally wore long dresses in past, and did not use underwear. Pants (pantaloons) were used in certain areas of Middle East and India. Skirts were used only by men in early history, later women started with using a long skirt after the old corset went out of fashion. That’s history.
We are talking about today, and still have the question what are women’s skirts?Differences in style, pattern, fabric, color? That’s everybody’s different taste, isn’t it?
I think I made it clear in some of my former comments that we should not talk about the skirt on men because a decision what men want to wear must be on their own. What we have to do is only one thing: Open heart and mind for everyone’s creativity, innovation and just accept everybody like he/she is.
Yes Mara. We’re talking about recent times. TOday skirts are selling in the women’s departments, it means are made for females and is very hard to convince ordinary man to buy that skirt.
Mara said: I think I made it clear in some of my former comments that we should not talk about the skirt on men because a decision what men want to wear must be on their own.
Must nad should be. Unfortunately that decision is determined by unwritten (and written too) social laws. I am still not allowed to wear skirts, even kilts at workplace, and kilt’s patterns range I’m allowed to wear is restricted to crossed strips – tartan patterns, otherwise it’s a woman’s skirt in Poland.
Mara, in order to designate a skirt as a typical male or female garmant, one could look at the way it is cut. In general t6he hips of women are wider than those of men thereore causing a skirt designed for women to fall with unintended pleads. But maybe the best indicvatyion could be what the tax office does when importing foorwear, just the size matters. But as there are more women doing 6′6″and more their feet will grow also hence they will require garments that will fit them and guess what they will turn to if the normal lady’s departments/store can’t help them out?
Maybe it is time that in respect of outer garments shops are mixed, ergo cater for all.
Isn’t it about time MEN were allowed to wear SKIRTS? I mean like Chrissy said earlier on this forum if WOMEN can wear men’s attire then why on Earth can’t MEN be allowed to wear a skirt??? It’s about time we had equal rights on this issue… I would love to see more skirts for MEN in the MEN’s sections in stores. I’d have no problems in buying and wearing one, cos I do already! I find a SKIRT sexy to wear and it’s so comfortable!!
WOMEN have all the best fashion varieties and accessories, MEN just have plain old boring shirts/trousers – we have the right to wear a SKIRT too so let us do it with pride!!!
Article is about skirts made for men. Realize that some call these ‘kilts’ even talking about skorts from H&M. They do it to accent the difference between skirts for males and females. If one wear publicly skirt bought form women’s department is labelled as a transvestite and is not helpful in our revolution. Next we can see on the rorums comments like “what next? high heels? bras? makeup? pregnant men?”. No!!! It’s just fight for our tradition, health and comfort, like in “Braveheart”
Notice trousers were originally women’s garment, skirts were for men. Women have returned trousers to their wardrobe, but they had to have fight for their rights. Now is time for us to do the same, but remember, don’t exaggerate.
A skirt sold in the ladies section will fit virtually every man. That is why there are petites, womens, womens plus, misses, juniors, juniors plus, etc. It is all in how the skirt falls from the waist. Within each of these there is the pencil to a-line variation & more. Far more variety than you will ever find in any mens section of a store. Considering all of these variations the difference between a mans skirt & a womans skirt is the perception that lies between one’s ears. A woman actually can wear a kilt since she has the intelligence to look beyond the label. A bystander doesn’t see a label anyway unless the skirt is being worn “wrong-side-out”. I must also say that most of my “womens” skirts have the zipper or buttons on the “mans” side. To some of you that must make them a “mans” skirt even though the label states otherwise.
I have worn skirts from the womens section for 20+ years without being labeled as a transvestite since I look & act like a man just as a women who wears jeans from the mens department isn’t being mistaken as being masculine. Even women in bib overalls aren’t viewed as transvestites. When women ask my wife why I’m wearing a skirt she usually comments that it is the same reason that they are wearing pants. FREEDOM OF CHOICE! How can pants be a male garment type when virtually every woman wears them? So some men wish to restrict their garment choices? You WILL spend the rest of your life explaining that it is a mans skirt while no one will believe you. Is that your view of the future?
Dave, it’s only Your personal opinion. In ‘political correct’ regions people are lerned not to show what they think about others, especially taken as the weirdoes. It means that alot Your neighbours may think You’re transvestite but are afraid to show You their suspicions. You wear skirts more than 20 tears, have You got a number of followers?
I’m with you on that Strikemaster.
People say the nicest things to your face because they are hoping to stay sociable.
A world where there is no doubt as to a man’s red blooded leaning; with the solid establishment of male skirts providing widely recognised extra comfort, avopiding having to resort to female clothes for that comfort, is the world I want to live in.
It’s not a very complicated wish…is it?
If you want the freedom of choice to choose from a wide variety of skirts, you will find that a male skirt will be exactly like one of the hundreds of female skirts already widely available. Manufacturers will probable just sew in a different label in much manner that food retailers add their own packaging. This is just the old milk is milk and a frozen turkey is a frozen turkey.
A history lesson might be beneficial. How did women get womens pants? They started wearing mens pants since pants were strictly a mans garment at that time. After enough of them were wearing pants the retailers started to see visions of piles of money. In other words the retailers reacted to an existing demand in the marketplace. At this time I simply do not see any significant demand for a mans skirt. Demand must precede supply just as it did for womens pants.
Yes, virtually every women in America today is a transvestite. Some don’t even rip off that famous Levi label that gives the waist & inseam of their mens jeans. One rather petite lady who complimented me on my choice of a skirt stated that she buys many of her clothes in the boys department since she likes the fit. You can have fashion freedom without being transgendered since that is not the same as being a transvestite. Mens clothes are uncomfortable unless your male parts are rather small. A skirt doesn’t bruise or bind a real mans body parts. Mens clothes are just plain boring. Being a transvestite just like every woman who has no problem whatsoever wearing her husbands clothes is a situation that I would prefer rather than being a restricted to trousers or paying an absurd amount for a skirt that had a label stating that it was made for a man. Since a skirt is a skirt is a skirt you are always running the chance of being a transvestite unless you show your label to EVERYONE that sees you. Some woman may be wearing a skirt just like yours but with a different label. Then you will be known as a transvestite anyhow. If being a transvestite gives me fashion freedom then that seems to be better than trouser slavery. Red blooded leaning? As a trained killer from the Viet Nam War days I think of myself as anything other than a pansy or a wimp. Good luck in getting those reasonably priced mens skirts. It’s but a dream. Don’t hold your breath on that one!
Dave, I respect Your choice. However I have to have label “men’s” on clothes I wear, just because transvestites aren’t tolerable in area where I live.
Dmeand for men’s skirts is very poor, so we have to continue discussions. It’s one of the methods to educate society why men should wear skirts.
strikemaster + John 432;
Yes, demandis poor because of that men can’t decide what they want.
Talking about women’s and men’s skirts: Again, women’s skirt are not different. The hips are wider, of course so this women have to use a wider/bigger size. What it makes the difference that the teille is smaller and so you see the wider hips. The clue is that men have to use skirts for juniors (they’re going up to size 18), and there are no differences to men’s skirt.
Same skirts looking different on men and women, both tend to have an onw behavior, way to move and the way to stand.
Going with the last comment: It’s okay to educate the society, but men have to go with that! “Be the change you want to see” (M. Gandhi), and men have to be confident to go with that.
Unless the concept of male skirts gains a much wider popularity, men in womens’ skirts will always remain the domain of just a few.
More to the point, the likelihood of allowance of womens wear on males in a lot of circumstances other than leisure is doubtful.
We spend most of our time at work, when a skirt would be of greater comfort, especially if seated for lengthy periods at a desk.
How long do you think it will be before, shall we say, banks allow male employees to turn up in a woman’s skirt?
How long will it be for a male magistrate to attend a court hearing in a woman’s skirt?
If skirts are to be of equal use to pants for any man, a socially acceptable road of adoption has to be taken which doesn’t have any perceived undertones whatsoever of a cross dressing interest.
There has to be a man’s version of the woman’s skirt in order to make them ‘proper’ mens’ clothing. And for that to succeed will require support for the entrepreneurs who see a potential market in that field, across a few years of growth.
Any more discussion on this is just a repetitive game of words.
We have to stand by whatever we believe in.
I am.
I like skirt. My girl friend too. I hope the day of skirt for men will be the norme. Have you look at the price of a kilt? Make kilt or some skirt like a kilt at lower price, some ting every one will be able to afford even if we do not werre that ofen. kilt are too expensive to be popular and good loking women skirt good for men are hard to find. keep speaking in good or in bad of skirt for men but keep speaking it will make it popular at lease it will be know that skirt for men is not a bad thing. Have a nice day guy in skirt and all other one to.
Somedaysaskirt I agree. I can’t see a bank manager allowing his male emploees to wear woman’s skiers, however I can imagine he gives a permission for kilts, utilikilts or sarongs at workplace like one German brewing company last year.
But if we want to populaze skirts for men, clothing industry must feel the demand. So it’s time to discuss our tactics.
Clothing doesn’t have a gender – only a size. Kilts are overpriced, unattractive & uncomfortable. Men aren’t going to take to them unless they are in Scotland. I would only wear such a garment if threatened at gunpoint. The clothing industry isn’t going to feel any demand for a non-existent product. Only one or two percent of women still wear skirts on a regular basis so why the homophobic hangup? If enough men follow the womens example of many years ago, change will occur. The cart before the horse? The chicken or the egg? Men first must wear skirts in large numbers. The market demand must exist first just as it did for womens pants. Those early skirts must come from the womens shelves just as the first women in pants wore the only pants tey could get – mens pants. When ten million men are wearing skirts the worlds businesses will take notice.
Dave, people are convinced clothes have a gender.
Dave said:
“Kilts are overpriced, unattractive & uncomfortable.”
It’s Your opinion.
“Men aren’t going to take to them unless they are in Scotland.”
Or works in German brevery.
“The clothing industry isn’t going to feel any demand for a non-existent product.”
Then why we’re talking about the skirts for men. If want to follow Your thoughts I shall give up.
“Only one or two percent of women still wear skirts on a regular basis so why the homophobic hangup?”
Because percentage of skirt wearing men is far less?
“If enough men follow the womens example of many years ago, change will occur.”
Problem is that men don’t follow.
“Men first must wear skirts in large numbers.”
So show us the method You want to achieve that goal.
“The market demand must exist first just as it did for womens pants.”
This is why I have my website and take a part in many discussions about the skirts for men.
“Those early skirts must come from the womens shelves just as the first women in pants wore the only pants tey could get – mens pants.”
Why? It seems women that worn men’s trousers firts were stronger than men or had nothing to loose because were lower category persons. Trousers were just symbol of their revolution but other demadns were more important. We fight only for skirts, not for suffrage and we have a lot to loose (job, family, friends for example).
“When ten million men are wearing skirts the worlds businesses will take notice.”
When it will happen? Have You read the link from 1976. Notice we have 2010 now and almost nothing has changed. Imagine that somebody will use this Cynthia’s comment board as an argument for skirts for men
…in 2045.
If kilt are not nice do not wear them. If kilt are at lower price may be more men will wear a kilt. And if more kilt are made it may generate different type of kilt and somme will just finish to look like unisex skirt. Pocket and zipper in front a litel bit longer. If you have to go for a pi with a women skirt most of the time the zipper is to short.You have to lift up the skirt and it his not nice when you go to a man pi place.have a nice day.
I am glad I came across this particular poll and question. I want to add my opinion,
First off, I agree that way back when in days of Rome when men wore what they did.
It may very well have taken years for the social evolution to “allow” women to wear pants as the equality issues came to the mainstream discussions.
I read comments in here that some males felt that a crossdressing male was or “tries to pass as a female, So why dont they get the sugery and go on with life” ,,, That right there is there attitude that keeps the social majority blinded and not thinking for themself, and realizing that whatever someone else chooses to do as long as its legal should be of no concern for others to try and place their judgmental and narrow minded attitude out there on forums such as this with the intention of making their “opinion” sound like it is and should be the way of thinking for all of society. I really wish I was the guys neighbor and knew how he feels, I would make a point of finding a dress, a skirt, breast forms and all and dress up and walk past the guys house all day long. Just to rash his a**. A person with sarcastic, judgmental, narrowminded, “my way or the hiway” attitude is or should be a far bigger concern to those of us that are still unsure of the wearing of skirts in public by men, than the mere issue of having to get used to the looks or the laughing. The comment I refer to, I wish I would have got the comment number, is far outshadowed but the unanimous show of support by men and women. I have to say I was surprised to see as much support for men in skirts by the female population. Thank you for being accepting and non-judgmental. As for the narrowminded judgmental folks, If only they could be sent somewhere with lots of sand and nothing to do but try and hide in it,,,,,, Hmmm,, if only….
this is passe at this point. 3/4 of the men in the rest of the world wear skirts daily. Also what about that fashion mlvement oh 25 years ago called the new romantics? I was wearing skirts and combats in 1985. Get over it alrewady
Fortunately I’m not a fashion trends follower, William.
I’m a Streight guy that loves to wear Denim Mini’s & other womens attire.
What has been said in the above posts I totalyagree with.
Mens clothing is so bland & boring, I love shopping for Mandy.
Its a shame that society of today wont take there heads from out of there A#£es & realise that we live in a society of being equal, If women want to wear pants, whats wrong with us guys wearing skirts ect?
Mandy, nothing is wrong (and you are right)……only for people which are not narrow-minded.
For all others it seems that the world is spinning the opposite way – they never will be able to understand that actually the change is a part of the life.
Recently I heard an amusing comment that I think sheds light on what men are up against in society. I had just come out of a convenience store and two women (wearing pants) had noticed me and were presumably making snide remarks to each other. One of them said “Now I wonder which restroom he goes into when dressed like that?” I very calmly turned around, went over to them and asked them which restroom they used when they were wearing pants? They snorted and stormed off without answering my question. I hope I gave them something to think about.
Davy, this was a very good question…..
I think it is important for the men who wear skirts to make it attractive to other men by looking masculine. Now I am not saying that if you want to cross-dress or have a more feminine look it is wrong, but we need to be good ambassadors and tell other men that they can wear a skirt but still look like men. That skirt may be a man skirt or a woman skirt, kilt like, camo, long or short. As far as length, I like just knee length for a formal look, for a casual look I like 2 to 3 inches above the knee up to mid thigh, shorter is too short.
jeanfor; To continue your sentence about ambassadors, yes tell men that a skirt isn’t just for women because it’s originally a men’s garment. But much more important is to show up in skirts, imagination and reality. But when see that is reality they will follow easier than words.
Oh, really? Than we have millions of followers at this time, I guess. No, other men just treat You as a crossdresser or funny wierdo and don’t want to follow because they don’t know why You’re clothed this way.
Mandy sometimes, if You want to look like a woman, just pu some pants on.
I must support martinus. Most men just following the herd, most do not think what they wear, just follow others, blindly.
Imagination and men in case of dressing? Just go in a men’s department store!
Two or three years ago I was living for a few months in a Washington D.C. suburb. I wore skirts at least 90% of the time, everywhere -churches, shopping, long distance walking (up to 7 to 10 miles in a day. I saw plenty of law officers of various departments pass me by. I even went up to a couple of cops to ask some questions. Nobody EVER hassled me or was rude, and I was not trying to pass as a woman. I just love the freedom feeling of wearing a skirt. I think the type of environment one is in has a lot to do with safey or acceptance. A place where t6here are a lot of different cultures mingling and there are some big colleges/universities are probably best.
Charles
I think that most women who began to wear pants years ago, mens pants since that was all that were available, were probably labeled as cross-dressers and/or a “funny weirdos”. Men had a difficult time accepting a women wearing pants back then. Now I’m not surprised that men are having a difficult time accepting a man wearing a skirt. It just seems as if men have a difficult time accepting change. Fashion will evolve whether men grant their stamp of approval or not. A tiny label in a skirt isn’t going to address the issue of resistance to change. I have received hundreds of compliments from women about my dresses or skirts but only a small number from men. The “redneck” mentality isn’t going to change overnight nor will it keep many of us guys from wearing a comfortable dress or skirt. I don’t need anyone’s approval other than my wife nor do I really care what they think about any of my decisions, be those religious, political or fashion related. There are many men who are just plain gutless with no imagination. I certainly do not yield to their thoughts.
Dave wrote:
“Men had a difficult time accepting a women wearing pants back then.”
And:
“I’m not surprised that men are having a difficult time accepting a man wearing a skirt.”
I’m surprised that both men and women have problems caused only by men.
“There are many men who are just plain gutless with no imagination.”
And they are able to destroy Your life.
Dave, I’m just trying to find out ways to fasten the change. It’s clear that wearing skirts by men in public doesn’t work and we should change our strategy.
strikemaster; I wouldn’t say that men wearing skirts in public doesn’t work – it work’s but it is somehow “normal”, missing the excitement that men going a new way of dressing.
A new strategy? What kind of strategy? First we should find the goal what men want to reach – I don’t know where to start.
I don’t know what you remember from the 1940s & 1950s; however, I recall that it was not women complaining about what other women were wearing. It was MEN who seemed to think that a woman in pants should be in a mental hospital. No, hypocrites aren’t going to destroy your life unless you give them the power to do so. I really don’t care what other men are wearing. Let them wear pants since I frankly don’t give a damn what they do. Men are seemingly blind to the fact that pants are shared with women. Men believe that skirts can’t be shared with women in a similar manner. Most men will never enjoy the freedom of a skirt or a dress. I couldn’t care less if they die in pants.
Dave, I can’t remember the ’70s, maybe because I was born in late ‘70?
It’s fact that men were against women in trousers, they defended their privilege. It’s not surprising. Now we have men fighting against men’s rights. They are men too, so they fight against theirselves, isn’t it strange?
Dave wrote:
“No, hypocrites aren’t going to destroy your life unless you give them the power to do so”.
It depends of area You live. SOme of us live outside the major US cities, where attitude to skirted men is much worse.
Martinus, we have almost no followers, so it means methods we used to use are unadequate. I repeat, You can’t see reactions against Your skirts not because folks like it nor understand Your reasons. People are just teached not to show what they think about You.
Yes, we should find the goal. I know we have different goals, some of us want kilts, other skirts from women’s departments, tights etc., so some minimum is hardly needed. Women in trousers were well organized in the past, we must apply the same methods.
I think the problem resides in the fact that men are very coward not like women who are gutsy. In that women are far superior to us
Honestly -
I will take the women in mens lives to bring skirtds to them and show the men they would like to see the men in skirted freedom.
No matter how you look at it – women really run our society, be it in the background in many ways but they really do run the show.
Indeed Mark, women have been more emancipated than one thinks for ages. I.e. the Kathar women were running their own businesses. In the 14th century the women ran home economics and were the ones capable of handling various languages like Latin and Greek. They could write, something the men needed priests for.
Women have been tunning men’s lifes for ages and right now the are some who think they don’t need men. They will do anything to discredit men, amongs others means of expressing one individuality.
Dave: the time when women were considered mentall cases for wearing trousers was the late 19th century early 20th century after psychiatrist Binet living in Nice, France, stated that dressing in garemnst of the other gender was a psychological disorder. Later Jung followed suit. His research was beased on the lining of his pockets.
In the late ‘50, early 60 when it became fashion for women to wear trousers after YSL launched at the catwalk the suit for women in I believe 1958. It was only a matter of 1 to 2 years before it was commonly accepted. Right now we have various generations who do not otherwise. Same like the fact that as I indicated previously, men would be wearing in rural areas still skirts late 19th century; they even had a special one in order to attend church.
Strikemaster; I understand, but to go with applying same methods like women we need men which are not cowards (jeanfor) and they should know the goal – be free from selfmade restrictions about self-created dressing roles which are really concerns for now.
So we should designate our goals now. Also I don’t agree men are cowardly. Notice women fought against opposite sex, we’re fighting mainly against numerous representants of our sex. It’s a civil war.
For those capable of handling the French language:
http://programmes.france2.fr/comment-ca-va-bien/?page=article&id_article=1277
http://programmes.france2.fr/comment-ca-va-bien/?page=article&id_article=1277
Okay, srikemaster, your’e right – we fighting against represetants of our sex – and where does the restrictions come from.
I still believe when somebody can’t or will not change in mind or clothes (or not able to do so) they are somehow
cowards because thinking of a change means also going toward women (I don’t want to say “femulating”) and to say frankly “I am staying with that” is the truly the hardest point. And that could be meaning, in average understanding of course, that men are not any more so “strong” (which is nonsense), and that is like a confession for a lot of men.
Again, I do not say with this, that skirts are feminine, but women wore skirts primarely in the past 180 years, not the men.
Okay then, where to begin, to set or designate goals first?
Martinus, notice that we suffer from the reminiscence of stereotypes still telling us that men are better beings than women. It means woman in male’s clothes is strong and selfconvinced. A man in woman’s garment is just silly. It’s stupid, but a lot of people “think” it’s true even in 21st century. So, our main goal should be defeminisation of a skirt. Skirts became a fetish and we have to stop that craze.
will be continued…
The discussions about skirts for men proceed on fashion blogs and a little closed places like SkirtCafe. Do You think “ordinary” man have got a will and time to read our posts? IMO they don’t read, so don’t know the reasons, options of male’s skirts offered already (and know totally nothing about men in women’s skirts).
We should move the discussions from the fashion to the reasons (health, comfort, history, future, whatever You like), closer to the mainstream. How can we achieve that? Easiest method is the Internet, we are outside the TV stations, we aren’t celebs so the Net should be our “tube”.
Second way is to force WHO, medical research institutes and other health care organisations. They should show us their statement. I don’t want to suffer prostate cancer just because some MD’s don’t like men in skirts and other are afraid to show what they know.
The third method should be directed to (or against) the clothing industry, but there must be more men wanting to wear skirts.
If You know better methods I’m waiting for suggestions.
I guess thatthe persons to bring it as acceptable are the fashion repprters. Biggest problem there is that most are either women or gay. Neither are good spokepersons for the cause. so what else?
I do have to wonder that the idea that men are better than women and therefore any man lowers him self if he does anything feminine, whilst a woman improves her self is propagated by women. It may sound silly, but it is to the advantage of women.
By making out that you are inferior, has many advantages. For one thing it means that women can copy men’s clothing style, but protect their own. If men object, then they are being sexist, but if a man dresses in female style clothing, they are lowering them selves and worthless men. This will have the effect of not only putting on pier pressure from other men, but also, will discourage women for allowing their men from wearing anything like a skirt, as it will be seen as not only lowering the man’s status but the woman’s as well.
Jeanfor:
I don’t specifically try to look “feminine. On the incident I referred to in #515 I had on men’s shoes, a t-shirt, no jewelry, makeup, etc. etc. Now I am not sure I know what anybody means by a “woman’s skirt”, as it would seem that most people view all skirts as being “woman’s”. The skirt I was wearing was a bit frilly and ruffily; does that make it a “woman’s” skirt?
So, I was wondering from those guys that do already wear the skirts if you could give some pointers, such as the sizes. I have no clue how women sizes work, I wear a 32 in men’s all I can tell you.
Also, has anyone purchased from American Eagle and know if the quality is the same as mens’?
Men still think that they should wear pants. Like a bucket over their head so they are not aware that pants are far more popular with women than skirts or dresses. They are in denial of the obvious. If you are a man the reality is that women are gender blind when it comes to clothing. It is just fabric sewn in some manner. Men just don’t get it. They have this fear that they will be impotent or become homosexual if they were to wear a skirt. Do women become lesbians just because they wear a mans shirt or a pair of mans jeans?
Sizing? As I guy who has worn skirts since the last decade of the last century I have learned that sizes are essentially meaningless. I have a size 12 miniskirt that has a larger waist than a size 18 miniskirt that I have. In the store use a dressing room or take a garment that fits or take a cloth tape. Ordering online please use the size charts. For example, Old Navy runs larger than most brands. Quality runs with the brand. Sloppy workmanship generally covers the brand no matter what.
Guys usually should start with junior charts then go to misses unless you have some real large numbers to deal with. Most size charts are in inches, so relax & enjoy.
John432, wrong answer. If skirts for men was connected to fashion trend it won’t catch on. One of first our tasks is to break the connections between skirted men and fashion, gay etc.
What else? Ordinary men wearing skirts for other reasons than sexual orientation or catwalk reports. Now I can see it’s very hard to achieve, so I’m loosing belief men will be allowed to wear skirted garment in near (and propably far too) future. We, men rather die from diseases than will put off our most feminine clothes, the trousers.
Does it matter for what reason a man will wear a skirt? I don’t think so, and it is not so important what causes the begin of men’ skirt-movement.
strikemaster; It is correct that women wore pants before men, and they carried on the skirt for us, too. Most men don’t want to see that issue, seeing only what the herd is doing (bucket over the head).
Recommendation: Let’s go together, find somebody (male) who’s wearing a skirt and go public. Invite TV, radio and newspaper – they will love to report, especially in the time during the summer-month. Go to one of the frequent websites to change address, and after the first meeting continue that as often as possible. Then, we do not have to write so much words about, let the publicity going on with that.
The problem with media reporting is that they tend to treat anything that’s strange to them as a light hearted joke. It all comes down to that reporter’s own views, not the public’s, and then he/she invites criticisms and responses by folk passing in the street, some of which will be negative for balanced reporting until the reader has lost interest altogether.
I think the future needs to be in the hands of those who support the idea, not those out to make a quick buck from it.
One or two celebs in skirts probably won’t be taken notice of much…their antics are usually a world apart from ordinary guys. Needs to be members of the general public. And with that we’re back to the level of local freebie rags as the communication tool. Maybe that’s the way. Several thousand photos sent to several thousand local free newspapers in the same week. That sort of epidemic does sometimes get into the mainstream news offices.
Yes Martinus, it matters most. People if don’t know the reasons start to imagine. Next they are afraid their own fantasmagoria.
), why not start the discussion on the columns about the social problems?
Also it’s very impotrant to rush the skirted men movement. Argument that trousers are boring and fashion designers show male models in skirts misses totally needs of men. Most men don’t want to be fashionable, don’t know what is going on the catwalk. They look for comfortable clothes allowing to be a part of the crowd (in opposition to Your expectations). Also notice the fashin is still changing, so male’s skirts trend could survive one or two seasons and disappear next. I’m talking about allowing men to wear skirts INSTEAD trousers without generation a panic strikes in the area.
To achieve that education has primary role. People must know skirts are originally for men, are comfortable and males should ear these for some medical reasons.
Back to the methods, MArtinus, notice the talk shows primary role is to show spectators most weird things they have ever seen. IMO man is skirt could be totally dumped to increase show’s viewership.
Somedaysaskirt, Your method could work, but we must increase out number first.
We have the only one massmedia we can use now – Internet. We are the reporters here, so we are able to show the readers our demand and arguments. The topic is present on the columns about fashion only (women’s fashion for instance
The otrher day I was confronted with a new phenomina, being a member of a group with which I had a meeting, who was wearing a flamboyant tie. He indicated that whilst searching for a new tie he couldn’t find anything appealing. By chance he walked into the ladies department and found that tie there. Both departments are at the same floor in that store.
Strikemaster, as I tried to point out, the members of the press needed to gain momentum are the more serious typees, not the ones who just point out a trend for a season with their own bias etc. The french broadcast posted is in that respect more serious. One of the arguments used by the wearers was comfort so I wouldn’t be surprised to see men in skirts on m y next trip to France, especially in Nimes where there is a specific shop catering men skirts.
I’ve started a new website here:
http://uniskirt.webs.com/
You might not agree totally with my wordage, but it’s the way I see things.
How might we expand upon our own websites to gain a higher volume of communication?
Good work, Somedaysaskirt. I can’t do it better. I think is the best way to show our demand (even I prefer kilts, but not traditional, woolish). I’m waiting for more activity that kind through the Web.
I Love your Webpage Somedaysaskirt, I hope more will visit.
Great work – should be in ALL people’s computer as a pop up screen. Seriously, you did a great work with that.
My only issue is the following comment:
“Our hips and waists are usually virtually indistinguishable, so wearing female clothing meant for hourglass curves is not our ideal.”
Very few items of female clothing are meant for the hourglass curves that you reference. There is far more variety of sizing available in the female sections of retail than there will probably ever be on the male side. Most of it deals with chest to waist to hip ratios. That is why there are petite, petite plus. tall, womens, womens plus, juniors, juniors plus, youth, girls, girls plus, misses, etc. Right now you can buy a denim skirt with the zipper opening to the right with seven pockets and a belt. About as masculine as you would ever hope to find. I own a few of these. Remember that not every woman looks like a Playboy magazine model. Some are so flat chested that my wife remarked that a certain lady needed a sign saying, “This side up”. Some women are honestly nearly indistinguishable from a man. That is why retail currently makes so many different size classes available. My guess that one of the dozen or so size classes would fit a guy perfectly. My skirts fit me perfectly. Guys don’t need to buy a skirt with lace or some funky pattern if they don’t care to do so. Guys are capable of making a choice? Trying to inject a gender issue into a garment may well label a guy as a hypocrite. Just buy your size in a garment that fits you. You can do that right now. Whatever you pick, even the so called mans kilt certainly won’t keep a woman somewhere from wearing it. Haven’t you ever heard of the “mens wear look” in womens clothing?
Guys just need to stop sounding like a bunch of idiots.
No, I never heard “Men’s wear Look” because all what men can wear is already used by women – and it looks good on them.
I do not have problems with some “women’s” skirts because larger “Junior” sizes always fitting – and he next, I let my wife finding out what’s the best size on me. It works very well.
Nice to have a wife picking the right size of your skirts. Does she choose also pattern, fabric, colors for you?
breanne> NO! But I always get very good assistance from her. Would you do the same?
Wives absolutely must be comfortable with their spouses clothing choices. If you wife approves of your clothing choices the opinions of others isn’t a major obstacle since you know that you can’t please everyone all of the time. The importance of the wife’s opinion simply can’t be over estimated. Yes, I would rather not see my wife in jeans on a regular basis; however, she must have total freedom of garment choice if I am to be allowed to have total freedom of garment choice. The problem really is that there are many women who want to wear anything and everything while insisting that their husbands wear pants rather than enjoy a freedom equal to theirs. Men simply must eliminate the “I can wear whatever I want because I am a woman. You can’t because you are a man.” Sexism MUST be eliminated. If we can ever manage to educate every wife in every marriage then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Dave, it is a problem of our society. Any kind of restriction came from men for men!
It does not mean that women can wear whatever they want, no, we are always under pressure to be right dressed for all kind of different occasions.
I don’t care when men wearing skirts or want to wear it, but please under same conditions we have to follow – except causal.
But, and that’s the point: We have to wear skirts for some events – men don’t. If that is removed than we’re talking about dressing equality.
Breanna, the only occasion when woman is forced to wear skirted garment is her wedding n fact. All female’s formal dressing include a choice between skirt and trousers.
It isn’t so simple like you think. Some courts and companies demanding skirts for women. Yes, a bride is usally dressed in a skirted garment, but I already saw two time that the groom was dressed one time in a skirt and a kilt.
Anyway, I hope that time changs, too. I support the movement for men in skirts as well as women’s free dressing on formal events.
Breanna, indeed one can see from time to time that a woman will appear in trouser at het wedding. The forum was about the question whether it is weird ofr wonderfull to see a man in a skirt and the question has evolved to the equality of rights. One could say that the womens lib movement has done a lot already and I giuess that going to court in trousers as a woman won’t pose as much of a problem in a metropolitan area, but could do so in rural area’s, which as the additional problem the peer pressure of the surrounding where you stay. Hence yes in genaral you are right, it’s up to you te decide if you want to act as is required of you by others or do you want to show your individuality. The last uis no problem in NYC but is so in the Riuf mountains of Marocco.
Correct, back to the question above. No, it is not weird when men wearing skirts. In case of “wonderful” – I would say the same I do for women, too: If the guy wear it with pride and has an overall fitting outfit, YES. I personally don’t like a nice skirt on men worn together with huge boots, this kind of shoes will destroy the elegnce of a skirt. But that’s my opinion.
Breanna, yes, women have some formal restrictions, in some corporations too strict, unlike male stuff. Men are free to choose if they want to wear grey or dark grey tie.
I’m sorry but kilts and skirts are a totally different thing, real men where kilts and do manly man things like tossing caber’s and if you found a Scot in the woods with a chainsaw he certainly would be too manly to be wearing chainsaw trousers as a kilt would provide adequate and downright comfortable protection:)
I’m sorry, but kilt is just kind of skirts. And of course that skirt (like many other) is manly. I said the reasons why skirts are better for men in my previous posts, so if You want to know, just read.
Like Strikemasters says, a kilt is a skirt but a wrap around skirt, one model for all. Other skirts have various models and lengths and thus variation. As Breanna wrote, huge (combat) boots destroy the look. But it is also a matter of what is worn with it further. A T-shirt, jacket and tie (available in more colors than black and gray)? Some time ago I tried the combination of brown loavers, kneehigh socks, maroon colored slightly A-lined skirt, tweed jacket with shirt and tie. In my humble opinion a combination with elegance, but still manly.
Only an idiot would use a chainsaw in a kilt. I have a friend who owns and works a large sustainable forest and wears kilts – but NOT whilst brandishing a chainsaw.
A kilt, as Strikemaster says, is a skirted garment, so is therefore a skirt of a type worn by men, but the Scots have their proud traditions, and calling a kilt a skirt would never be tolerated. It doesn’t matter what it’s called really. A man’s shirt is not a blouse, but does the same thing. It’s a pointless argument. I see the kilt as a skirt or a kilt and if we are to get so sensitive about a mere word we might as well forget the whole idea of a man wearing something without legs attached.
By the way, I pulled my ‘uniskirt’ website as some joker with less brains than an omelette thought it a larf to dump a virus in it which my system picked up on. This is the kind of crap we are up against, and, not wishing to teach anyone to suck eggs, I would advise all who search out skirted men articles to have good virus blockades in place.
But thanks to all who thought my short-lived efforts of interest.
The keyboards video Interplay is still on youtube though as it’s getting a few hits.
Somedaysaskirt, it was very good website, whay have You given up? You can start it on another server, when anti-virus blockades work better. Going one step forward and next two steps back is not a good way to popularisation of men’s skirts.
There are many websites with men in skirts through Internet, but, unfortunately most of those are about fashion designers and male models in skirts. Do You think, outfits shown on catwalk can be used as an everyday dressing? I think not. Also articles about fashion aren’t to show the reasons, why men should wear skirts. Only a few websites have got an educational value. How do You want to inform people about the reasons? By telepathy?
There’s a strong need to show our demand by creating websites, otherwise we loose another opportunity.
the one who put a virus in the site of sommedaysaskirt must have a brain with the same number of cel as an egg (one). keep going and speaking in good or bad will popularise the fack that a skirt is juste a peace of cloting.A skirt is more confortable than trousser. Y hpoe one day it will be more popularise by tv and movie.
I’ll give it another stab when I get time.
Whynotaskirt, an egg has no brain cells at all.
Whynotaskirt said:
“Y hpoe one day it will be more popularise by tv and movie.”
Why don’t You want to take a part in this process?
Je fais mon possible pour supporter la jupe pour homme. Je peux faire des erreurs en englais, pardonner moi pour cela. Je supporte entierement l’idée que l’homme devrait pouvoir porter une jupe. Peut importe le style de jupe. Cependant je ne crois pas que les hommes devraient commencer par des jupes ultra feminine. Si c’est une jupe qui a de la classe et de la sobriété cela devrais etre plus acceptable ou plus facille a populariser. Une jupe ultra feminine feras passer une homme pour un travesti ou quelqu’un de deranger voir idiote.
Je fais ce que je peux pour populariser la jupe pour homme et non ce que je veux,car je travail dans l’enseignemens primaire d’un milieux rural. Je tien a garder mon emplois.Cependant a la maison avec ma compagne j’en porte et elle trouve que cela me vas bien. Elle prend la même grandeur que moi 14 ans,sauf que moi je fais 6 pieds 1 et 190 livres. Elle trouve que ca me vas mieux qu a elle.
J’espere qu’un jour on en verras plus d’homme en jupe, et que cela seras normal. Je visite ce site régulierement pour voir ce qui ce dit et en apprendre sur ce qui ce fait pour promouvoir la jupe pour hommes. Passer une bonne semaine.bye bye
Say What?
Whynot a skirt text is on short:
I like to wear a skirt and would like to promote it. I apoligise for my English.
Ultra feminimne skirts will make you a transvestite or an idiot. A classy skirt will assist in promoting skirts for men.
I would like to promote the skirt for men but as I live in a rural area and have to consider my job, I will only wear one at home. I have the support of my wife, who thinks it suits me better than her eventough we have the same posture.
I hope that skirts for men will become acceptable and normal.
I visit this site regularly in order to see what is said and learn how the skirt for men is promoted.
Have a nice week.”
In the meantime I have looked at what is shown on the actwalk as mens fashion for the summer of 2011. Up to this m oment no skirts.
Whynotaskirt, I don’t speak French so answer You in English.
I noticed You think that wearing skirts by men in public is the main (or maybe only) way to promote idea of men’s skirts. Am I right?
It’s not true. Public skirting could work only in areas where men in skirts are acceptable. It is a sign so may generate followers. Unlike in major European an US cities, in other regions skirts for men aren’t acceptable in that level, so this method doesn’t work. Uneducated people don’t know the reasons, even don’t want to know. It’s very scary for them to see things the havent seen before and don’t know why it happens. Fear causes aggression as a strategy of defense.
It’s why I’m telling You: education first. My must show the society clearly why we do wearing skirts and why skirt is better than trousers. Also thete’s lack of men’s skirts in stores. Retailers are convinced (I don’t know if they’re right?) skirts for men won’t sell. So our task is to sign there’s demand. How we can do it? We can’t enter a TV station newsroom. However Internet is the place where we are the journalists. Women had not got that opportunity when fighting for restore trousers in their wardrobe. So, why not another website describin Your point of view, even in French?
John 432, are You surprised? Now, after a couple of years of showing male models is skirts, fashion have changed. Now is time for trousers I guess?
So You can see why I said we should not relay of the fashion creators. IWe must separate skirts for men from any trends. I know a lot of arguments for skirts but fashion isn’t included.
Strikemaster, sorry no 2nd guess
as there is no need.
Thank John 432. you make a good translation of my opinion. Yes, I support totaly the skirt for men. No, I do not belive the only way to promate skirt is wearing it. If y visit this site is to encourage people on that mater.And if more people speak about men in skirt the subjet one day maybe so popular that some one may go with it. And if it happen it may make a big snowball. We never know.
Here in canada we have a place in Britih columbia who make kilt but to expensive. A way to expensive I will Pay up to one hundred but not tow undred. If one day i find a kilt that is affordable i will give a try on the stret.Belive in it and it will happen. ByeBye
John 432, You’re wrong. There’s a need but no demand.
I just bought a great looking skirt for four dollars. Zipper pockets. Belt loops. Even a loop to carry a hammer & a deep pocket for a tape measure. In the womens department. Anyone who wants to wear a skirt has hundreds to choose from right now. Personally I would rather wear pants than one of those ugly, uncomfortable, mega-expensive “mans” kilts. A skirt is a skirt. The fabrics & styles are already available.
Who wants to spend the rest of their life explaining the difference between mens skirts & womens skirts when most of the wearers or most of the general population doesn’t give a damn one way or the other?
John 432, the summer collections 2011 are not done yet. Winter 2010/2011 has some skirts for men: http://jhonsantosfashionspot.blogspot.com/2010/01/givenchy-menswear-fall-winter-20102011.html
whynotaskirt: je vous empris. Maintenant j’ai compris pourquoi j’ai eu des problemes avec quelques mots, c’est Quebequois. Maintenant je depart a le departement Gard en France parceque je veux visiter une magazine a Nimes ou on vendre des jupes.
Strikemaster, all I meant was that upto that moment there were only trousers shown, hence no need for taking a second guess.
Martinus, I’ll check it out.
Maretinus, I just checked via GQ magazine, nothing for next year.
John432;
I know, it is not there yet. It takes time because the presentations starting at end of June every year.
Check out: http://newmalefashion.blogspot.com/ and scroll down, there are some new styles. Again, next year there are going more for dresses (tunics).
I am fine with my skirts, but it seems that those people integrating men’s fashion in a regular program.
Hi Guys;
Today I visited a Greek Festival and I saw several hundred men and boys skirted – not just their traditional “Sunday”-dress (Fustanella), white skirt and white socks. There were a lot of black skirts with white shirts, for men and boys, just little bit longer (mid of knee-length) and again!!!! no one of your pants-wearer can compete with them!!! There was a visible elegance and you could feel the pride of all skirt wearer.
Women wore their mid calf-length dresses, and all was like in a complete different world — just amazing.
Martinus, after having looked at the pictures, I must say, there are differences in taste and one never knows what may appeal to one and to the other. Thanks Heaven.
The last few days I drove some 1600 miles (two days drive) in order to do some maintenance to my cottage down south. Most of it skirted. Extrfemely comfortable in comaprison to driving in trousers.
Mara, there is still a bit of a difference between a fistival where dressing up is the essence and ordinairy daily life. Maybe if peopole woul;d start enjoying life more and would let it become a festival instead of a ratrace…
Martinus, after my last message I checked via Vogue and GQmagazine the updates in respect of the fashionshows in Paris. Only JP Gaultier and R Ownes have a few skirts in their mens collection for spring summer 2011. Eventholugh I do wonder whether the fashion shown by R. Owen would suits the summer season, but in all not my cup of tea.
Look at the poll’s results. I can see sexism is still raging through the Web. Some people aren’t capable to know that restricting availability of the original male’s garment to women only in unfair and causes medical effects as well as that we are the second class citizens. Women have right to wear whatever they want, but it’s not all. It seems that women have right to decide for us what we should wear. It’s happening because women feel they’re a fashion specialists unlike men. So they are going to tell us what we should do. Think about that. Maybe You re-think Your strategy. IMO we can’t spread men’s skirts by fashion even some of you likes designer’s outfits, we should use anti-discrimination arguments and spread the truth about comfort, health and history through the Web.
As I said in one of my posts (I can’t remember if it was on this comment board?), health, comfort, heritage and equality of the sexes should not be a fashion trends.
Should not be the fashion trends. Sorry for mistake.
As I said, it’s not a fashion, it’s a question about human’s rights. Yes, we, men are humans unlike some of the visitors mind!
We have the right to comfort clothes, our heritage (manly heritage, not only the Scotts wore skirted garments), health and freedom!
Talking about the fashion causes if some don’t like pic of model wearing skirted outfit, thinks men are ugly in skirts. Yes, maybe some of us are ugly in skirts, the same like some women look bad in their clothes, but it doesn’t mean women aren’t allowed to wear that.
So, I recommend to start (or restart like Somedaysaskirt) many websites to scream out our demand.
Strikemaster: if a slkirt for men would be preented on the catwalk it would make liufe more easy, as trousers for woemen were presenten in the late 50’s on the catwalk. What I do notice is that the participants on this and other fora are mostly of the second age (to use a French expression), hence so busy with afshion in general as they have found their way about.
In order to popluarise the skirt for men, it would require interest with the first age group. So how can they be reached?
There are some differences. Watching fashion shows have stereotypical feminine connotations. Altough You may think it is only an expression of sexism, my experience confirms strong connections between sex and fashion engagement. It means skirted male models may work through women, however men are the main opposition against male’s skirts. Catwalk doesn’t work in that case, but websites about equality of the sexes can. Men that are against, must realize they fight against themselves. Against their own rights.
Websites are only picked up by those already aspiring to wear skirts (or already wearing them). It’s like preaching to the converted – rather pointless. How many men want to look up websites about wearing skirts? Not many I reckon. They do help with anyone at ‘entry level’ to the idea, and needing encouragement, but to the general mass, which is where adoption of skirts will matter most to seriously address employment clothing equalities, there needs to be a more effective promotional avenue.
Fashion is not it, as has already been said. Fashion flies above the heads of most men as so much arty farty dandy-ism. This is the real world. The problem as I see it is getting the image of a skirted man across as being quite boring, as are pants. It’s importantly the comfort that is for sale, not the fancy fabrics and designs – that comes later. Much later. If we can just get skirts in the public arena without guys getting phobias about looking effeminate, then it’s most of the battle won.
I think more men can pisc up a website about than watch the fashion show. Are You agree there must be some places showing our demand? I know there’s Bobclops site, kiltmen.com, but should be more, much more.
All more effective ways need a clothing industry to be engaged in, unfortunately it won’t happen this decade. Look at the H&M. They’ve done a skort (so denied advantages of a skirt) looks like a christian school uniform and callet it kilt (to annoy the Scotsmen?) and finally have withdrawn after some articles signed with their logo.
We haven’t got better ways than websites with educational values at this time.
John432; As I said before, it’s coming slowly back – in fashion: http://lynnandhorst.blogspot.com/
Strikemaster: You are right, health comfort and equality should be not a fashing’thing’, but we know also how people react. If something in “fashion” they trust them more than comments and facts.
I very much doubt if male skirt/kilt sites hold any interest with most mens’ internet surfing activities.
It’s not an important enough subject, which is why it will probably take a lifetime to see any major changeover of positive attitudes towards men in skirts (not kilts – skirts), unless the clothing industry makes it happen more quickly.
By ‘fashion’ I mean catwalk fashion, not street credible trend. Trend starts usually where a number of bystanders see it going on and want to join in. So they do.
As there are not a lot of skirted men around to make anyone feel like joining them (I’ve never seen one in my town for a start, and that’s a population of several thousand guys) then the catalyst isn’t there for skirt wearing to become trendy.
And of course the trouble with trends is that they die out just as quickly, and are replaced by some other quirk or whim.
Local news gets to a very high percentage of the population. Locals like to know what’s going on in their region/town/area. It’s closer to home. To appear in a local newspaper in a skirt, with a solid message of sense about why the man IS in a skirt when he’s…straight…not a transvestite…not a cross desser…but also makes it look like it could be more fun, more ballsy and attitude charged, and more adventurous than wearing pants, would, I feel, do a whole lot more than a few personal websites crying out for attention in an ocean of seldom found websites.
That’s why I’ve decided not to bother with starting another one. I think it’s a waste of time, and illustrates just one man’s choice of clothing.
How many men could be bothered to read through all of the wordage in this forum for a start? Unless you’re already seriously interested in going out in a skirt, you won’t even know this forum exists.
It has to be seen locally and some credit established as regards why a man might want to wear a skirt instead of trousers, other than to look like a female, or desire to feel like a female. That’s the taboo which kills the idea dead for most men.
The alternative is to not be bothered about the larger picture, and just go ahead and do your own thing anyway. And if any are having to wait for the idea to get off the ground before they dare try it themselves, then it could be a long wait.
Just do it. As long as the area is openminded nothing will happen. You might receive some admiring comments. You might find that no-one is much bothered about what you’re wearing. Or you might be laughed at…but blood is thicker than water.
You won’t know until you try it. And the more that do jump in at the deep end will be doing an excellent job of championing the skirt wearing lifestyle.
Indeed the essence is getting the idea over the threshold. Acceptability in your surroundings is depending on ones guts to do so and also the peer pressure, even better the acceptance by ones partner.
On the Catwalk by Givenchy for the men’s spring-summer season 2011 the are a number of skirts and skorts shown, which I would consider wearable. The pictures show men in skirts and women in trousers with simirlar materials and design of print. Very interesting.
Somedaysaskirt, if You’re convinced that doing nothing in better…I’ve got different opinion.
I don’t know whether anybody has connections with Nike – I just had a small brainwave – as they do promote health and their fashion in the models as shown by Raf Simons for spring summer 2011
John432, I’ve checked, it’s just from and for catwalk. I can’t see anybody in the streets wearing these suits. We need something wearable and available.
givenchy seems wearable
Strikemaster, I didn’t say do nothing, I said we should get out and be seen…that’s really doing something in my book. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Actually making it work – not just talking about it all the time. That’s my personal opinion.
IMO we’ll get into papers, even local, if some kind of street’s trend has seen. Otherwise we can’t do it that way.
John432, yes these are wearable, I hope some retailers will start to sell it or something similar in men’s departments. But there’s a dictum: “hope is a mother of the fools”. The demand is still to low.
Why not? Clothes are only clothes, without any gender. It seems that it needs to be a real man to wear it?
Strikemaster, have you any idea how tp draw the attention of Givenchy to this forum?
John432, why are You need a Givenchy’s attention? AFAIK they promote some skirts for men already.
Wy do You need, of course.
Givenchy isn’t for health or freedom promotion. Their subject is a look.
The topic is (or should be) for a social discussion, abut the human rights, public health etc.
Well strikemaster, I thought that for example the poll results with this forum might be of interest for Givenchy and the likes. In the meantime I saw http://www.wwd.com some other photo’s and G’s skirts are skorts, so errare humanum est.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Skirts-For-Men
Great reading.
Especially toward the bottom of the comments.
Other interesting pages are by Hope Alaxander and http://yeahshesaidit.com/2010/01/24/skirts-are-not-for-men/
eventhough most contributors there can be found here.
Wear a skirt. Just do it, why worry what others will think. I have a bunch of friends that don’t care one way or the other. I did have a couple that it really bothered needless to say we aren’t friends anymore. To this day I still can’t figure why it bothered them so much. But I must say in the hot weather skirts are waaay more comfortable.
Only God can judge you.I wear skirt all day and every day 365 days a year with a slip and my support hose gartered to my 18hour playtex open bottom corselette.Nylon panties also.Comfort for me first.Other people opinions do not phase me.
the more the merrier
Ya Itz cool but only 4 punks u no wat i mean
Who cares? I seriously don’t understand why anyone gives a rat’s behind what anyone else wears
research: fashion show in birmingham 2
People look very vry hapy about those men in skirt.
lady gaga has a similar group in one of her shows., so on stage it is well accepted, now to get it accepted more wildy beyond the stage.
I have made the plunge and now wear denim skirts all the time unless I have to wear pants. I even feel comfortable going to an auto parts store wearing one.
If I really wanted feel out of place at the parts store I would wear a business suit with coat and tie.
On the other hand, a knee length denim skirt is not very conspicuous in situations where people wear shorts.
I’ve found, as you probably have too JohnH, that people tend to mind their own business even if you are conspicuous. Most don’t have the interest or inclination to want to know about your choices. A lot of the doubts about looking strange are in our heads. We’re just guys like any other with our own set of parameters. Denim is a great choice though as it is, as most male skirt wearers will say, ‘invisible’.
Anyone in the UK with a Sainsbury’s nearby might like to know they have a very wearable cargo type skirt at £10 in dark blue or beige cotton. There are belt loops for a 1.5″ belt (it comes with a matching tie-front cloth belt which I slung). It has useful front and rear pockets, is knee length, light and the sort of unfussy type of design I prefer. Just thought I’d mention it. I bought the blue version but I’m going back soon for the beige one too.
I do have a very narrow minded young man as a next door neighbor that scorns me for wearing a skirt. We got into a shouting match, and I was almost ready to pound his hind end into the ground. I’m glad I walked away before that happened.
That is the price one takes when social conventions are breeched. On the other side I have a wonderful neighbor who is a great friend.
If the narrow-minded dork wants to wear pants like a woman that shouldn’t be an issue with us. He may enjoy the discomfort of pants & the resulting lower sperm count. A wise man is smart enough not to argue with an idiot.
Dave,
He wears shorts that I would not be caught dead in, not that I have anything against shorts. Those shorts have vertical stripes on them, and I wouldn’t wear bottoms (skirt or pants) with that look.
I have been wearing skirts for about a year now – still only occasionally. Here is a link to see that someone actually noticed and posted a brief description … and set him wondering…. (I was that man referred to in the post)
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1145
Hope I have started something.
Unfortunately, my wife detests the idea in no uncertain terms so have to be discrete. Pity really as is feels natural and comfortable to me
Highlander, what is Your wife’s opinion about kilts?
Hi Strikemaster,
I have a kilt (my own clan tartan) which I have had for several years. I usually wear it at particular events like weddings, office Xmas parties, Xmas family meals, ceilidhs (not many of them) and a few other events.
I also wore it at our 30th Wedding Anniversary in Oxford (UK) last year. She is OK for those events but NOT really for general use. Pity really, as it cost a whack of money. She doesn’t want it over-used as she believes it is simply my excuse to go around with no undergear! (The secret is out girls!) Not true btw, but there is no convincing her!
I will be getting a Bonnie Prince Jacket to complete the outfit for son’s graduation later this year and a wedding in March 2011 – She is OK with these occasions.
Otherwise she is fairly reluctant to entertain its use – for reason stated above.
For myself, I would like to wear it a little more often than I do but it is rather a heavy skirt (that is what it is after all) for general everyday use – all that 8 yards of material pleated round the back.
I think I look good in it as do other family members and people in the office.
One other thing – she wears trousers most of the time and does not like skirts or dresses – except when we have visitors or at particular events sush as I noted above.
Very good example to show what the word ‘assymetry’ means. However we shouldn’t cry for trousers, these are made for women, let they enjoy.
In Your case, I suggest You to increase frequency of “good occasions to wear a kilt” maybe You can do that? Show You’re proud of Your heritage. Also I suggest to buy some lighter kilts (casual, sportkilts, next maybe utility or something similar), You could weaken her negative attitude step by step. And remebmer, don’t hurry.
Good luck and don’t give up.
Hi Strikemaster.
I could look to use the kilt on additional occasions. Good idea which I had thought of as well.
As I am from Scotland, there are traditional kilts but not much else (no Utilikilt for example – seems that Seattle is the place to go for them) sports kilts seem to be available here so could look into that.
She is quite strongly egalitarian and against discrimination of any sort e.g. someone’s colour, religion or sexual persuasion. She always delights in same sex couples “coming out” for instance so it would appear at first glance that she may be amenable to skirts – but she calls that cross-dressing (why I say is it only men who are daubed as cross-dressers?)
I will be going to New York in early September – do you (or anyone else) know if I can find any suitable outlet there? If she sees it in a shop, it may loosen her resolve.
Hope to hear some further ideas in due course.
I live down in the southwest, many miles from Scotland, and am not Scottish either, but I enjoy wearing a kilt frequently, and for any reason – but not washing the car. I agree that all the pleating, especially this time of year, is too much to drag around.
Apart from wearing much lighter skirts I also have a Sportkilt Hiking Kilt (my very first acquisition), but beware! Something worn underneath is imperative as the kilt can balloon up very easily in a sudden gust.
At the moment I’m using a fairly cheap kneelength from Sainsbury’s I mentioned earlier…even on recent visits to the manly world of B&Q no-one seemed to notice much.
Standing in a queue at the local chippie the other evening in a kilt, I overheard a mum telling her inquisitive young daughter ‘It’s called a sporran’. I wonder if she’d asked why I’m wearing my handbag around my waist!
Kilts and skirts bring some life into our world…I’m all for that.
Either that or she asked – “Why has he got a dead animal round his waist?” – lol.
Must look in on Sainsbury’s – they are mostly small foodstores around here but I think they do have a single main outlet. Usually I get skirts on e-bay for a couple of quid each time and a few more for postage. Got them delivered to the office as well and not the home address.
Generally had no problems with that route.
Apart from a kilt, I currently have the denim one (noted at post 621 above) which is 14″ long, a black “cargo” one around 15″, a khaki cargo skirt at 17″ and recently I have acquired a very short 12″ long camouflage one. Still to try that one out somewhere though!
I too have been to B&Q and did not have any comments at all. I even had to ask one of the assistants where something was and she took me round to the correct aisle and indicated the selection they had. No comments from there either!
Have been to the local garage to fill up, chippies and weekly shopping at Tesco quite a few times – all when wearing a skirt. As before no comments were made at all – some second glances though but that was it.
I a man who likes to wear skirts but has experienced some double standards from close females, who refuse to acknowledge that a man can wear a skirt. To list some I have been told that skirts are only fro females, but if I turn the argument round and say that women are wearing pants, I get the ‘yes but they come from the women’s department’. Or if I say about skirts made and sold as men’s skirts, the reply is ‘no one make skirts for men, that is a marketing ploy like boy shorts and boy pants, they are really for women’. Another comment was ‘men lost the right to wear skirts when they gave them up about 400 years age, but we [women] have the right to wear pants because they were originally a woman’s garment’.
I have also been told I must be gay or that I really want to be a woman, it’s just that I don’t know it!
It seems that for many women (but not all), just do not consider that men who want to break out of the narrow range of clothing we have, to be proper men; maleness it seems is defined by what we choose to wear. While they demand the whole range including all we have to wear and to deny that is sexist.
I must admit that in most cases, wearing a skirt out causes little attention. Most comes from relations and friends of relations. It just seems that my wife’s friends who hardly know me, know more about me than I do!
Jibes about sexual imbalance are the best anyone can think of as a response because most are not programmed to respond other ways. Many walk down a very narrow road where any change in habit is seen as perverse, irrespective of reasons of sense. Reasons don’t figure because they hadn’t existed before men started to look for a better deal. And those folk just haven’t caught up with it all because their vision of menswear is still blinkered.
But it is definitely changing and people are having to agree that the clothing regime has been one sided, and they’re either personally softening to the idea, or are being slowly led to accept the idea because others are being seen to accept it. Follow-the-leader mentality.
I believe I mentioned it before that I’ve seen women intently purchasing mens’ shirts in stores becasue nothing was available in that kind of look in the womens’ department.
They get away with it without being called cross dressers because no-one can be bothered to argue with a woman’s tastes. If we do the same we’re supposed to be sexually screwed up or something. It seems everyone but us knows what’s best for us. What a wonderful world.
One thing I have learnt since starting to wear a skirt is that we all see the world differently. Neither I nor anyone else can ever know what it is like to be someone else. The problem gets even worse when we cross the gender boundary. A man can never understand what it is like to be a woman or visa versa.
I like everyone else can have problems when I see someone dresses in an unusual way and have to fight with my emotions and remind my self that I am not that person and they have a perfect right to dress that way. Unfortunately many, if not most, go with their emotions “if it’s like this for me it must also be for you” and stop there without looking below the surface. The result (which is especially true for men), is that we are prisoners of fashion ‘You can’t wear it if it’s not fashion’ but then it never will be until people wear it! Catch-22.
It takes a lot of emotional intelligents to look into our selves and at the same time try to understand the world around us. It is much easier to go with the flow. Yes it’s changing, but it is now nearly 121 years since an article appeared in the NY Times calling for the right for men to wear skirts and we are still not there!
Highlander,
You can reason with your wife as much as you want. However, you yourself need to make the decision to wear kilts and skirts.
You are going to have people that disapprove of your wearing skirts. I say just ignore them and do your own thing. My experience in the Dallas, Texas area with above the knee denim skirts is that people hardly notice them at all.
I do have an advantage in the Dallas area – very few women wear skirts! And nobody except myself wears skirts for walks in the neighborhood. So it is not much more unusual for me to wear a skirt than it is for a woman.
Someone at the discussion link below discarded the idea of mens’ skirts because he thought the idea of something like men drag racing in skirts was stupid and wouldn’t happen.
He obviously misses the point of all of this, like so many people who also insist it couldn’t ever work.
The whole point is that skirts are an option, not another stipulation like pants. Once again men are imagining themselves to be limited to just one way of dressing. No-one is asking anyone to drag race in a skirt…or wrestle with alligators.
So many people are dragged down by an absolute fear of change. That men will all turn into feminine freaks or something by them all throwing out pants and wearing nothing but skirts.
It’s choice we promote, not more rules. Read some idiot comments here…if you can be bothered.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Skirts-And-Dresses–Men–Can-Wear-In-Public
Yes I noticed women wear jeans rather than wear skirt – very few wear skirt in my home area.. Men can wear skirt but still need more in public, anyway wear skirt is quite fun also feel so good, lighter,etc.. I do wear most of time with black tights and black cord mini skirt with black suede gladiator sandal (I wear tights & bodysuit to protect from midgets that bite my arms,leg, and some part of body) — it hot here in UK as skirt make me much cooler when wind blew.. feel so goooooooooooood
When I wear skirts I always wear a man’s shirt and a man’s underpants. I do wear women’s sandals most of the time when I wear sandals since men’s sandals are flat and heavy.
I do not wear a purse; my skirts have front and back pockets just like my pants so I can put my wallet, keys, etc. in the pockets.
I do not wear makeup and paint only my toenails, and speak with my normal deep male voice. So I do not try to pass myself off as a woman; I’m simply dressing more comfortably for the hot (40 deg C or 104 deg F) temperatures in the Dallas, Texas area.
I dont use any handbag or makeup,etc.. just wear tights and skirts as skirts I used has 5 pocket that I can put wallet or cash easily… it make me much comfortable as I cant use men clothes cos Im too slim with weight loss.. Men can wear women style or men style skirts depend on size — I used women size that fit me prefect.. it look really nice with short skirt
OK JohnH, I know that painting the toenails increases comfort propably the same as tight always are doing.
Maybe women’s sandals are more comfortable, I don’t care, I’ve never worn men’s nor women’s sandals and won’t do it in future. About underwear, I’m totally free as Villegas said in some his ad. Why should I do it against comfort? And I still think kilt is best skirt for males, have proper lenght, have to aprons in front which prevents against showing ones private area and is very comfortable if is made of light, non woolish fabric.
Of course, wear whatever You want but be considered only a few men are able to wear five-pokets skirt bought in women’s department. Kilts have much more potential, some my collegues are convinced now and attempting to get their kilts already.
The skirts I wear most are kilts. I have over a dozen now. I do like the way the pleats sway when walking. Adding a kilted presence to a busy public place adds an unexpected touch of colour and movement – especially in Devon where kilts are rarely seen. I wish I’d tried them years ago! I’d like to get one made up in the Devonshire tartan but the cost is beyond my means. Maybe when a pension matures in a couple of years!
Strikemaster,
When you are unemployed there is a difference between paying $15.00 (US) for a skirt vs. paying over $100 for a sports kilt, let alone a full blown kilt of several hundred dollars. If I could afford kilts that would be what I would get.
Most people just don’t notice my skirts since they wear shorts.
When I get more money I intend to purchase a couple of sports kilts.
Sandals are very common in the Dallas, Texas area since the weather is so hot. A lot of people (men and women) wear flip-flops. I can’t stand the flapping so any sandals I have have to have a back strap or an equivalent.
I got some of mini skirts for about between £2.50 to £9.99 on Ebay (new as unused) — it nice and soft, I have in denim, cord and velvet as the size is prefect fit for me. Yes in Dallas it very hotter all time as some people who live in my home area went on holiday and mentioned the weather was much hot.. in the UK it mixed hot and cold but in the summer it still too hot here – skirt make you extra cooler
Just now Im wear Wolford De Luxe 66 black tights with white mini jumper dress and black suede calf boots that give my body more breathe and quite good with lots of air through my body… it so light and feel so comfortable – I have 6 jumper mini dress (3 with hooded) that quite good as skirt.
Lucky, yes of course, weather is too hot so You must wear tights.
Are You crazy, or it is Your authorized method to achieve infertility (or both reasons)?
Wearing a skirt isn’t connected with tights, high heels automaticaly. It matches only for fetishists. I, personally don’t feel any need to wear any feminine garment, won’t make-up but. Also mini demands underwear, it’s not for me.
Back to the tights, it’s just a kind of trousers, so consequences are the same: overheating the privete areas and increasing risk of some diseases. Tights are anatomically for women.
re tights: tights are unisex, I’d say.
Strikemaster, tights cabn be seen already in paintings concerning the period of De Medici. Many such Florentine paintings portraits men in bi-coloured tights, hence origanally mens garments. Later on one can see portraits of Louis XIV, also wearing silk tights and heels! There is also a picture somehwere portraiing Charles the great wearing Breaches, tights and a codpiece. Hence be carefull as to catagorise to quickly.
No so long ago (19th century) tights were referrred to in another language as stockingtrousers, which were worn by men.
If Lucky is happy wearing a skirt, tights and heels, so be it, a happy Lucky.
In thios respect also, I was surfing obver the net and saw pictures of the wardrobe presented by Comme des Gracons plus for the s/s season 2011. Those skirts and dresses not only give me a reason for a second, but also a third thought.
Tigths are not a women’s garment nor pants are mens. Don’t sexualize clothing!
Mara, if I would have to make a resumé of all the comments posted, than the wording could be something like: clothing is in principle unisex, but due to amongst othersmarketing tactics and lack of historical knowledge it has become genderised. Looking at the full wardrobe of both genderes there might just one item which is typical for one gender: the bra, but due to nutritioning habbits, it might become also a unisex garment, save fashion tendencies in Japan.
This following item starts with the wording: “borrowed from the boys”.
http://fashion.about.com/od/latesttrends/ig/Menswwear/
it concerns womens fashion.
Men wore stockings, gartered stockings, not pantyhose. Pantyhose causes the same effect like trousers (read the warnings added to “mantyhose”) so can’t be masculine by definition.
Strikemaster, Pantyhose is even a better translation for stockingtrousers as hose = stocking and panty = trouser and those were worn by men in the past.
The mantyhose is nothing else than a long John without fly and yes the effects are the same as trousers but due to the nature of the material maybe less tedious.
I am in Auckland N.Z. a member of Skirtcafe.org
Yes I wear skirts and even dresses all the time. I think I succeed in making them good and masculine. A bit of the odd sewing.
Skirts on men are definitely getting more popular world-wide I think. Not so much here though yet, although as this is a south Pacific country, lava-lavas (sarongs) are seen a lot. I used to wear them a lot but Skirtcafe got me into proper skirts. I then started experimenting with the cotton knit t-dresses. Have a look on Skirtcafe where I have a popular blog called “Jack Track” as “Jack Williams”
The link is: http://www.skirtcafe.net
“Jack Track” is under “Pics and Looks”
Sorry, you have to register!
Murray.
I read skirtcafe for a year or bit longer as I remember, but I’m not registered. I think Your forum is closed to the skirted men only so have rather small educational potential. We need some method to addres our arguments worldwide. IMO writting on that or similar forums isn’t best way to achieve that goal. It can work as an power projection, however we are to small group yet.
Back to the pantyhose, I’m fighting to liberate myself from trousers, one of the most feminine garment world have seen. Why I have to replace my hated pair of jeans with another kind of trousers?
Why do I have to… sorry for mistake.
And John432, as You said, pantyhose are just a pair of trousers, matches male’s anatomy bad, block natural air contitioning, heat exchange as any other type of trousers so are for women, not for men. Altough it sounds wierd for today’s society member, traditional stockings are more masculine, don’t stop natural heat exchange process necessary to keep proper testicle’s temperature.
What you call “heat-exchange” is important to women, too. Pantyhose are not particular a women’s garment, it is originally men’s garment like stockings and garter belt, seen 16 and 17th century at soldiers.
It is your opinion to get freed from trousers, okay, but also accept opinions from others.
John432 like pantyhose which makes legs nicer, for some reason also a smooth feeling and definitely 200 times thinner than pants. Panthose also allow air flowing, depends what kind you’re wearing. So, were is the point?
Mara, women usually suffer forom cold in their private area, men suffer form hot, so pantyhose for us (the same as trousers) are good as a castration device only.
OK some pantyhose allow air flow, so wear it if You like. I’m not going to ban it.
Mara, the point is comfort and in addition thereto what makes one feel ok.
As indicated previously, I can only think of one item which is gender bound.
As indicated in relation to Lucky, if one feels happy by wearing a pantyhose, stockings whatever, be my guest.
The essence of the whole discussion is that everyone should be able te be him/herselves in line with one of the basic aspects of human rights, without being discriminated by peers for the choise of apparel one feels like wearing, the way one whants to express him/herselves and basically that all should respect others and not apss a verdict based solely on one private opinion (narrowmindedness).
If someone wishes to be respected for his opinion that he has bound homself to the principal that he should respect the thoughts of others also.
In respect of the argument of ventilation as brought forward by Strikemaster, an opencrotch pantyhose provied the ease of the pantyhose and the ventilation of stockings. But as indicated the pantyhose was by origen a mans garment same as those dreadfull leggings. What do they hurt my eyes but that i my personal opinion and can’t be ciondered a norm for everybody.
I think Mara is right on the mark. My wife was getting dressed up for my brother’s wedding last week. She told me that the pantyhose she was going to wear were very uncomfortable in the private area. I thought that is interesting that women also are concerned with feel, temperature etc. However she tried on a different pair of pantyhose and they were just fine.
I have found for me that pantyhose provide great compression. As long as they are fairly loose in the crotch, I really enjoy them. Today, I went out in a skirt for the first time in public. I was hiking on a major mountain trail, nevertheless still in public. I was spurred on to do it when I saw a bearded man with a woman who had a mini skirt on. I got some glares from a family with a small boy. I was also seen by a single man who I ran past. It was fun walking and running in a skirt. I was confident and looked people in the eye with a smile. I don’t know if I will ever be comfortable in city life with a skirt. Baby steps though right? Nobody gave me a bad time though. When I got home, I told my wife how liberating it was to be in a skirt outside of the house.
For my input, pantyhose do not belong on a hiking trail where bushes and dogs can easily create a non-repairable snag. They simply aren’t cool in hot weather as you can’t easily feel any air flow. Pants are an article of womens’ clothing as are shorts, skirts & dresses. In fact you will see far more women in pants than in skirts or dresses so what is the issue with being seen in a skirt? Fifty years ago men wore pants & women wore skirts & dresses, but that was fifty years ago. Pants aren’t just for men anymore. Skirts & dresses aren’t just for women anymore. Clothing has become gender neutral as indicated by your spouse’s or mother’s closet. As men we need to drag ourselves into the 21st century just as women have done. Do we want to seem stuck back in time many years ago?
I guess I didn’t describe my outing very clearly. I was in a recreational skirt(knee length) from an outdoor store. My legs were bare with no pantyhose. I had men’s crew socks with men’s shoes on. I also had a sweatshirt which matched the color of the skirt (grey). I agree pantyhose while hiking aren’t suitable. Not because I can’t wear them, but because I don’t think they would feel all that good while hiking or running.
Just another thought on the pantyhose: I do think that pantyhose of neutral color (beige, tan, or black) do look better on most people when wearing shorts or skirts. And yes shaved legs are the only way to go. Again not while hiking but when going to do errands or out casually with the wife provided that the weather is cool.
I was just checking out: http://www.theurbanapparel.com/product_info.php?products_id=1539&osCsid=d0491c80767c83100901cf9b483cb67d
and noted that various models are out of stock.
Do You think, these sells good? These skirts are tottaly indistinguishable from women’s clothes so propably are very hard to sell and limited to use in downtowns of major American cities. Also some of the presented are too short for me.
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